Edward Fudge NOT A Final Word about Hell

9.07.14 Click for more on gnashing below. Christ in Isaiah 30 says that God drives His Enemies into a conscious Hell with Instrumental Music of wind, string and percussion instruments. Jesus in Revelation 18 calls the speakers, singers and instrument players SORCERERS and says they will be CAST ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.

God made Jesus of Nazareth TO BE both Lord and Christ: Jesus speaks God's Word or Logos which is His Regulative Principle. It is opposite of rhetoric, singing, playing instruments or acting. Jesus makes DISCIPLES of Students of the Word: we are not called upon to judge anything we assume to be from a Holy (wholly) Spirit God. The command is to PREACH the Word by READING the Word for Comfort and Doctrine. An APT elder is limited to teaching that which has been taught: he is not and will not able to suck out DOGMA as a way to gain fame or fortune. God will do what He will do and we can doubt that He has singled out one person to repudiate the "traditional" or historic understanding of the Word. Paul did not corrupt the Word which means "selling learning at wholesale" which word defines adultery or prostitution. Christ gave Bible students ample warning to those who do not speak that which is written that

The message is: you can baffle people arguing about the meaning of hell and how long is forever, but, the message is ALWAYS to warn about the unhappy destiny who lie to God and about God in order to infiltrate musical performers into your flock and the owners and peace and harmony OUT of your flock.

The craftsmen (parasites), singers and instrument players are cast alive into the lake of fire. This is not because God is evil but because Jesus has John call them SORCERERS who HAD ONCE deceived the whole world. The Spirit of Christ said that "Lucifer the harp-playing prostitute" brought wind, string and percussion instruments into the Garden of Eden. The SERPO is defined as using a devious or crooked style of singing or chanting like a gradually spreading fire to deceive the simple. No scholar has failed to note that music is used because music deceives: "it makes the lambs dumb before the slaughter."

Aristotle Rh. 3.6: Melody Deceives: "Poets also make use of this in inventing words, as a melody "without strings" or "without the lyre"; for they employ epithets from negations, a course which is approved in proportional metaphors..

The form of diction should be neither metrical nor without rhythm.

If it is metrical, it lacks persuasiveness, for it appears artificial, and at the same time it distracts the hearer's attention, since it sets him on the watch for the recurrence of such and such a cadence..

According to Philo, the gods of the pagans exploit this weakness of men. For the sake of a better effect, and with the intention of more easily cheating their devotes, that they have set their lies to melodies, rhythms and meters..

Aristot. Nic. Eth. 1175b.1

But things that are akin to things of different kinds must themselves differ in kind.
        [3] A still clearer proof may be drawn
        from the hindrance that activities
        receive from the pleasure derived from other activities.

For instance, persons fond of the flute
        cannot give their attention to a philosophical discussion [The LOGOS or Regulative Principle]
        when they overhear someone playing the flute,
        because they enjoy music more than the activity in which they are engaged;
            therefore the pleasure afforded by the music of the flute
                impairs the activity of study.

Exodus 32- Instrumental Worship of the Egyptian Trinity: beyond redemption

Ex. 32:24 And I said unto them, Whosoever hath any gold, let them break it off. So they gave it me:
then I cast it into the fire, and there came out this calf.
Ex. 32:28 And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses:
and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men.

It's false! God didn't command the Jacob-cursed and God-abandoned Levites to be "musical worship leaders." God''s command was that they STAND IN RANKS ready to execute any non-cursed Israelite who came NEAR their new holy meaning "quarantined" thing or place. Later they were under the King which God did not command and the commanders of the army. "Prophesying with instruments" means as soothsayer-sorcerers as the STAFF of the abandonedd-to-Babylon slaughter of innocent animals.

THE PATTERN OF THE ISRAEL'S COVENANT WITH DEATH AND HELL AT MOUNT SINAI

While God was giving The Book of The Covenant of Grace (Abrahamic) the Israelites were restoring their legalistic pattern they had learned in Egypt.

Moloch Worship in Amos

Amos 5:23 Take thou away from me the noise of thy [1] songs;
         for I will not hear the [1] melody of thy [1] viols.
Amos 5:24 But let judgment run down as waters, and righteousness as a mighty stream.
Amos 5:25 Have ye offered unto me sacrifices and offerings in the wilderness forty years, O house of Israel?
Amos 5:26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images,
        the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.
Amos 5:27 Therefore will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus,
        saith the LORD, whose name is The God of hosts.
Amos 6:5 That chant to the sound of the viol, and invent to themselves instruments of musick, like David;
Amos 6:6 That drink wine in bowls, and anoint themselves with the chief ointments: but they are not grieved for the affliction of Joseph.
Amos 6:7 Therefore now shall they go captive with the first that go captive,
         and the banquet of them that stretched themselves shall be removed.

The Ghebers of Hebron 2 Hoaea, xii. 4 derives the name Israel from Sarah to contend, to fight, and El = God of Fire. — Gen. xxxii. '28. Asarians, Asriel, Israel, a name of the War god {Exodus, xiii. 21, 22, xiv. 25), Saturn and the Sun. The Fire-god Azar was the God of war, and M'irs was the Sun. — Macrob. I. xvii. OS

But these fire-worshippers carried with them the arks of Moloch and Khiun (Life-god), their Adon, and they had, like the other peoples of the Delta, their Mysteries, which the priests instituted. They took with them from Phoenicia, probably, a certain knowledge of fixed vocal signs; and it would not be safe to deny to Syria the possession of some sort of (Syrian) hieroglyphs

The Jews blew the trumpet on the newmoon, poured out libations and offered burnt sacrifices. And for this duty the Lobii, Luim or Levites were assigned to do just what the Brahmans did in India. They ministered to la'hoh, Lord of Life, according to Exodus, iii. 14 ; xxxviii. 21; xl. 15; Jeremiah, xxxiii. 18. Hence the Jews were the Brahmaus of Palestine, as Josephus said, worshipping Brahma, whom, for their own political purposes, they chose to regard as Ab (Father) Ram (Most High) which title is not unsuitable to the Most High of the Hindu Gods. King states that the words brahrna and abrahm have the same numerical value.

MUSICAL DISCORDERS MISSED ACTS 7

"The triumphal hymn of Moses had unquestionably a religious character about it; but the employment of music in religious services, though idolatrous, is more distinctly marked in the festivities which attended the erection of the golden calf." (Smith's Bible Dictionary, Music, p. 589).

Acts 7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel,
        A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren,
        like unto me; him shall ye hear.
Acts 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness
        with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers:
        who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
Acts 7:39 To whom our fathers would not obey,
        but thrust him from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt,
Acts 7:40 Saying unto Aaron, Make us gods to go before us:
        for as for this Moses, which brought us out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.

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Acts 7:41 And they made a calf in those days,
and offered sacrifice unto the idol,
and rejoiced in the works of their own hands.

Euphrainō , Ep. euphr-, fut. Att.155.12, Pi.I.7(6).3 II. Pass., make merry, enjoy oneself, to sing,
i. mēkhanēn, [sound, lights ]in the theatre, merriment of a feast
4. take up and bear, as a burden, “moron” A.Pers.547; “athlon” S.Tr.80; “algos” A.R.4.65.
2. raise by words, hence, praise, extol, E.Heracl.322, etc.; ai. logō to exaggerate, D.21.71.
mēkha^n-ē

Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. Rom 1:25

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: Rom 1:26

And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. Rom 1:27

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Rom 1:28

Pind. I. 6 Just as we mix the second bowl of wine when the men's symposium is flourishing, here is the second song [ Moisaiōn meleōn] of the Muses for Lampon's children and their athletic victories: first in Nemea, Zeus, in your honor they received the choicest of garlands,

This is the Crooked Race we are warned to save ourselves FROM.

Pind. I. 7 In which of the local glories of the past, divinely blessed Thebe, did you most delight your spirit? Was it when you raised to eminence the one seated beside Demeter of the clashing bronze cymbals, flowing-haired [5] Dionysus? [at Mount Sinai] Or when you received, as a snow-shower of gold in the middle of the night, the greatest of the gods, when he stood in the doorway of Amphitryon, and then went in to the wife to beget Heracles? [introduced sodomy in the worship at Tyre, practiced at Mount Sinai]

But since ancient grace [muses] sleeps, and mortals are forgetful of whatever does not reach the highest bloom of skillful song, joined to glorious streams of words, [20] then begin the victory procession with a sweet-singing hymn for Strepsiades;

Aristoph. Ach. 5 I was in ecstasy and I love the Knights for this deed; ‘it is an honour to Greece.’ But the day when I was impatiently awaiting a piece by Aeschylus, what tragic despair it caused me when the herald called, “Theognis, introduce your Chorus!” Just imagine how this blow struck straight at my heart!

Xen. Sym. 7.5 However, these questions also fail to promote the same object that wine does; but if the young people were to have a flute accompaniment and dance figures depicting the Graces, the Horae, and the Nymphs [brides in Revelation], I believe that they would be far less wearied themselves and that the charms of the banquet would be greatly enhanced.”

“Upon my word, Socrates,” replied the Syracusan, “you are quite right; and I will bring in a spectacle that will delight you.”
Or, the Seasons. Or it may be used here in the Homeric sense of the maidens who kept the cloud gate of Heaven.

Acts 7:42 Then God turned,
      and gave them up to worship the HOST of heaven;
        as it is written in the book of the prophets,
        O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices
        by the space of forty years in the wilderness?
Acts 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch,
        and the star of your god Remphan,
        figures which ye made to worship them:
        and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.

THE PATTERN OF THE ISRAEL'S COVENANT WITH DEATH AND HELL

Moloch worship by Ahaz. The Assyrian worship in the temple and outside the gates to be exposed for its uglines. 2Chr. 28:3 Moreover he burnt incense in the valley of the son of Hinnom, and burnt his children in the fire, after the abominations of the heathen 2Chr. 28:23 For he sacrificed unto the gods of Damascus, which smote him: and he said, Because the gods of the kings of Syria help them, therefore will I sacrifice to them, that they may help me. But they were the ruin of him, and of all Israel.
	Hezekiah replaced infants with BURNT GOATS God did not command. The instrumental Levites could not enter into the holy places to carry out the garbage left over by the Syrians including their MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS which would have gotten a Levite executed. 2 Chronicles 29 Rick Atchley and all of the instrumental discorders say that THIS was the command "a" spirit whispered to him. We sent them to youth rallies and Church of Christ events with some of the finest Christian bands in the world. We discipled our children to leave our Movement! Jeff Walling 2 Chronicles 29 Ray Downen 2 Chronicles 29
As soon as Hezekiah they began burning infants in Jerusalem. 2 Chronicles 33 Moloch as Prophetic Type of Hell in Jerusalem

Isaiah 30 Christ says that the MARKS of God beating His enemies into hell are the wind, string and percussion instruments which Lucifer the "singing and harp-playing prostitute brought into the garden.
	Revelation 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon [Jerusalem] be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. Revelation 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. Rev. 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. The Beast or Therion means "A new style of music and Satyric (cappella) dram.

In Isaiah 55 He told us NOT to pay for the free water of the Word: He equates Spirit to Word

In Isaiah 58 restoring THE OLD PATHS outlaws seeking our own pleasure or speaking our own words.

We may not know the exact meaning of HELL: some evidence suggests that it may be the burning of unsatisfied passion and being forced to live with those who HAD deceived the whole world since ages after ages agrees with several destructions of the "world" and REcreation.
It may be true that being tormented for ever and ever might be just foolish writers and "traditionalists" before NOW.
However, we can be dogmatically certain that those who are said to be driven into hell are done so with the sounds of wind, string and percussion instruments (Christ in Isaiah 30) or craftsmen (staff-parasites), singers and instrument players Jesus calls SORCERERS (Revelation) who will be cast ALIVE into the Lake of Fire shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. . (Revelation 20:10-14)
The BEAST or Therion is defined as "A New Style of Music or Satyric-Cappella Drama by despicable people called "dogs" or "concision" These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Topheth for the physical destruction outside of Jerusalem was for those CAST DEAD into burning garbage-not brimstone or sulfur.

ALL OF THE TRADITIONALISTS AND HISTORY WERE WRONG BECAUSE:

Edward Fudge: I will tell you this – with no desire to exaggerate or to be controversial – that no one before or after could have been more astounded at the things I found throughout the Bible during the course of my study. (p. 17)

I will take the liberty of posting some statements Fudge says are not there.

Edward Fudge tells God what He said: … what does the traditional doctrine tell your mind and heart about the character of God whom you love and worship, the same God you sometimes beg in prayer to relieve your own suffering and that of others? (p. 32)

Jesus fed Judas (prophesied to triumph over Jesus musically) the SOP and the DEVIL came into him and he went out and hanged himself as a FAILED angel of light. SOP has the same root meaning as PSALLO. When people lie that psallo commands them to impose instruments knowing that it will sow discord but TRANSISTION a congregation to the instrumental sect don't blame God for sending the LITTLE FLOCK the message advised by Alexander Campbell and the sects--Flee Babylon.

Music and the Devil: "In pagan traditions, musical instruments are invented by gods or demi-gods, such as titans. In the Bible, credit is assigned to antediluvian patriarchs, for example, the descendants of Cain in Genesis 4:21. There is no other biblical tradition about the invention of musical instruments." (Freedman, David Noel, Bible Review, Summer 1985, p. 51). (Proof Here).

Jubal HANDLED all of the musical instruments meaning "without authority." No history other than music "to make the lambs dumb before the slaughter" but that the Devil "as singing and harp-playing prostitute in the garden of Eden" is the source of musical iddolatry.
Revelation 18 says that the singers and instrument players are SORCERERS who HAD deceived the whole world.

And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth,
and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 2 Thess. 2:8

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 2 Thess. 2:9
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;
because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 2 Thess. 2:10
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion (tramps, erratic teachers, roving stars),
that they should believe a lie: 2 Thess. 2:11

The MARK in Sight and Sound: The Purpose Driven Church replacing the Word with "Holy Entertainment."

--teras ,
III. in colloquial language, “teras legeis kai thaumaston” Pl.Hp.Ma.283c, cf. Tht.163d; “teras legeis, ei [incredible statements]
III. to be worshipped, “oudeis m' areskei nukti thaumastos theōn” Areskos or Placeo are outlawed by Paul so that everyone can "use one mind and one mouth to speak that which is written for our learning."

The Greek: Teratourg-eô , A. WORK wonders, pseudôsti Sch.Pi.I.7(6).13.

The-ama A.sight, spectacle OPPOSITE mathēma, Th.2.39; freq. of a sight which gives pleasure, “theamata kai akroamata hēdista parekheis” X.Smp.2.2, cf. 7.5; “orkhēseis kai theamata”

Math-ēma , atos, to, (mathein) A. that which is learnt, lesson, 2. learning, knowledge,

ALL RHETORIC, SINGING, PLAYING OR ACTING ARE THEAMA AND THE OPPOSITE AND ANTITHETICAL TO MATHEMA

The One Piece Pattern defined as CENI by Jesus

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying,
        All power is given unto ME in heaven and in earth.
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and TEACH all nations,
         baptizing them in the name [singular] of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you:
        and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Teach is g3100.matheteuo, math-ayt-yoo´-o; from 3101; intransitively, to become a pupil; transitively, to disciple, i.e. enrol as scholar: — be disciple, instruct, teach.

DANGER! GOD IS NOT THE "GUILTY PARTY" FOR THE DEVIL'S ANGELS OF LIGHT

WHY ALL OF THE TRADITIONALISTS WERE WRONG:

EDWARD FUDGE: Private Interpretation: Discovering a 'new' truth that has never been seen before.

Peter said you CANNOT do that: to try denies that God breathed (spirit) and Jesus spoke the total will fo us.

2 Pet 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

The Spirit OF Christ breathed (spirit) into the Prophets and Jesus of Nazareth made these prophecies more certain. Thereafter, a Church of Christ BY A CERTAIN MARK is built upon or educated by the Prophets and Apostles.

The command of Christ from the church in the wilderness onward:

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time
        hath in every city
        them that PREACH him,
        being READ in the synagogues every sabbath day.

NO ROLE AND NO DOLE: Private interpretation means FURTHER EXPOUNDING beyond that which written as the free water of the Word:

Epilusis (g1955)ep-il'-oo-sis; from 1956; explanation, i.e. application: - interpretation.
Epiluo (g1956) ep-ee-loo'-o; from 1909 and 3089; to solve further, i.e. (fig.) to explain, decide: - determine, expound.

Epi-lusis A. release from, e. phobôn [fear] didou A.Th.134 (lyr.): abs., exemption from banishment, [hell?]. The word dissertio also carries the idea of trying to REMOVE fear by explaining away any worry about keeping laws.

2. solution, sophismatôn explanation, 2 Ep.Pet.1.20, 2 Pet 3

Sophisma A.acquired skill, method, stage-trick, claptrap, rhetorikos 2. of persons, skilled in speaking, fit to be an orator Pi.O.13.17 2. in less good sense, sly trick, artifice, dikên dounai s. kakôn E.Ba.489 , cf. Hec.258; eph' hêmas tauta paronta s. Th.6.77, cf. D.35.2; stage-trick, claptrap

4. spell, Magic:
g4486 rhegnum to sunder by separation of the parts, a shattering to minute fragments; but not a reduction to the constituent particles, or disrupt, lacerate; by implication to convulse (with spasms); figuratively to give vent to joyful emotions:

SIMONY IS A TRICK YOU PAY FOR: the "scholars" claim they can teach you how to be guided by "a" holy spirit person.

Magos Magian, one of a Median tribe 2. one of the priests and wise men in Persia who interpreted dreams, 3. enchanter, wizard, esp. in bad sense, impostor, charlatan, Heraclit.14, S.OT387, E.Or.1498 (lyr.), Pl.R.572e, Act.Ap.13.6, Vett. Val.74.17: also fem., Luc.Asin.4, AP 5.15 (Marc. Arg.). II. magos, on, as Adj., magical, magps technêi prattein t

Magicus, belonging to magic, magic, magical. superstitiones, vanitates, that were invoked by incantations: linguae= skilled in incantations, cantus, magicae resonant ubi Memnone chordae, mysterious, id. 15, 5

Exêgêtês II. expounder, interpreter, esp. of oracles, dreams, or omens, Hdt.1.78; at Athens, of sacred rites or customs, modes of burial, expiation, etc., spiritual director, of Apollo, Pl.R.427c. b. at Rome, of the pontifices
The pagan EXEGETE is identical to: Suristikê (sc. technê), hê, the art of piping: used with hythmice, histrionia

The Command of Christ from the Church in the wilderness was to PREACH the Word by READING the Word (only). Paul told Timothy how to conduce church or ekklesia using the same pattern. The Word is the LOGOS or Regulative Principle: it outlaws pathos or a preachers personal experiences. It outlaws singing, playing instruments, acting or AIDS imagined to HELP God.

Jesus said that God HIDES from the WISE or Sophists: speakers for sale, singers, instrument players especially "music in a religious sense."
Jesus said that HE will not pray for the WORLD or Kosmos now promoted by the NACC led by those on the dole of churches of Christ.
Paul in Ephesians said that the Christ-Gifted or APT elders WILL BY A SIGN cast out the cunning craftsmen or sophists: speakers for hire, singers, instruments. This was SO THAT the Word of God could be taught as the ONE PIECE PATTERN.

MEN are to sit down and be silent to prevent wrath or an ORGY. Women are to be silent because they are not "mediators" in either song or sermon. The Purpose Driven Church is "that all might be saved and come to a knowledge of THE TRUTH. The Truth is The LOGOS or the Regulative Principle which Edward Fudge etal love to mock.

Rhetoric, Singing, Playing, Clapping is not the SIN: it is the MARK that God has abandoned you for practicing SORCERY (Revelation 18 and most recorded testimony of CIVIL societies) and you will be (have been) Cast ALIVE into the Lake of Fire.

Those who PROMOTE all of the Gnashing of teeth CLAIM and are affirmed by the once-Christian colleges claim--and I don't blame them--that Forever and Ever (or ages after ages or world ages after world ages) just means Annihilation

In CIVIL society as opposed to the pagan "worship centers" speakers, singers, instrument players, poets or even philosophers were "cast into the darkness" outside of civil society. All of the religious functions as priests and Levites were called PARASITES because they robbed the godly in tithes and offerings so could keep the Mega-Church going because God had abandoned to worship the stars and fire. The Levites (more than just the tribe of Levi) were an Egyptian infant burning cult. Josephus calls them Brahmin.

Plat. Laws 936c There shall be no beggar in our State; and if anyone attempts to beg, and to collect a livelihood by ceaseless [making Poieo meter, hymns] prayers, the market-stewards shall expel him from the market, and the Board of city-stewards from the city, and from any other district he shall be driven across the border by the country-stewards, to the end that the land may be wholly purged of such a creature. If a slave, male or female, do any injury to another man's goods, they shall be punished.

The musical discorders boast about "infiltrating and diverting your property to turn it into a theater for holy entertainment." They claim that "a" spirit told them to impose instruments because "we gonna save more souls." Sorcerers (singers, players) and liars are all cast alive into the lake of fire. They may be getting a head start by being "consume by the breath (spirit) of their own lips." You cannot think of performance music as a part of the School of Christ in the prophets and apostles without lying to God and about God: it is predestined that they should be cast alive into the lake of fire--whatever that means.

Job 4:9 By the blast of God they perish,
        and by the breath of his nostrils are they consumed.
Is. 11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth:
         and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth,
         and with the breath [Spirit] of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
2Th. 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed,
        whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth,
        and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Priests and instrumental NOISE makers in all sacrificial systems who lived from sacrifices God did not command are called PARASITES. The Heretic is the priest who "lifted up the lambs to cut their throats."

-Plato. Republic [398a] “True,” he said. “If a man, then, it seems, who was capable by his cunning of assuming every kind of shape and imitating all things should arrive in our city, bringing with himself the poems which he wished to exhibit, we should fall down and worship him as a holy and wondrous and delightful creature, but should say to him that there is no man of that kind among us in our city, nor is it lawful for such a man to arise among us, and we should send him away to another city, after pouring myrrh down over his head and crowning him with fillets of wool, [that is like tarring and feathering him]

-Commentary Epideik-nu_mi -nuō 2. . more freq. in Med., show off or display for oneself or what is one's own, mousikan orthan e. give a specimen of his art. of a rhetorician lecturing, Id.Phdr.235a; “polla kai kala” Id.Grg.447a; of epideictic orators, Arist.Rh.1391b26; of a musician, e. “hupertheōn [more than go]” Pl.Lg.648d.

hupertheō , A.run beyond
1Cor. 4:6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written [huper ha gegraptai] , that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.

Corrupting the Word is selling learning at wholesale: it is called PROSTITUTION and the Greeks affirmed that the Sophists were prostitutes. That is why the PATTERN left as a MARK is to PREACH God's Words by READING God's Words.

LEGALISM includes all of the religious performers or hirelings selling their own words and opinions.

Nomos I.anything assigned, a usage, custom, law, ordinance,
II.a musical mode or strain, Aesch., Plat., etc.; nomoi kitharōdikoi LAWS for learning, practicing, performing, being judged.
2.a song sung in honour of some god, Hdt.; nomoi polemikoi war- tunes,

Nomos , ho, (nemō) The Laws of God OR I. usage, custom [TRADITION], “Mousai melpontai [melody] pantōn te nomous kai ēthea kedna” Hes.Th.66;
II. melody, strain, “oida d' ornikhōn nomōs pantōn” Alcm.67; “n. hippios” Pi.O. 1.101; “Apollōn hageito pantoiōn nomos
2. esp. a type of early melody created by Terpander for the lyre as an accompaniment to Epic texts, “n. orthios” Hdt.1.24;
also for the flute, “n. aulōdikos” Plu.2.1132d; without sung text, n. aulētikos

Hes. Th. 66 and beside them the Graces and Himerus （Desire） live [65] in delight. And they, uttering through their lips a lovely voice, sing the laws of all and the goodly ways of the immortals, uttering their lovely voice

Edward Fudge: Jesus uses the word “hell” (gehenna) eleven times and is the only person in the Bible who uses it at all to speak of final punishment. It is important to know what Jesus says about hell. (p. 36)

The Spirit OF Christ breathed (spirit) His Word into the Prophets. Jesus of Nazareth made the Prophets more certain. Peter said that that is not subject to private interpretations or further expounding. Christ the Rock defined the Church in the wilderness both inclusively and exclusively. He defined it in the prophets. Therefore, if you want the opinion of Jesus you look to the Prophets and Apostles.

(1) The Old Testament says nothing about hell.

Edward Fudge: ‘I went to the Old Testament asking if it had anything to say about the end of the wicked. To my great surprise, it answered with principles, prototypes, and prophecies.’[2] ‘Evildoers… are totally burned up – nothing is left, neither root at one end nor branch at the other. Nothing but ashes remains to remind that the wicked ever existed.’

That would prove that self-speakers are not allowed to read BLACK text of BROWN paper. Paul in 2 Corinthians 3 says this was the result of the fall at Mount Sinai caused by musical idolatry.

The "old testament" as a book contains the Prophets by the Spirit OF Christ: it was Christ the Rock Who ordained the Church of Christ in the wilderness to EXCLUDE vocal or instrumental rejoicing so that they might Rest, Read and Rehearse or memorize the Word. Christ spoke through the PROPHETS and not through the Scribes whom Jesus called hypocrites: in Ezekiel 33 speakers for hire, singers and instrument players. I will post a few of the passages by Christ: by using words such as hell it is important that we understand the meaning of the words. You cannot determine that by simple concordances but must read the ancient literature primarily in the Greek and Latin Languages. There, hell or HADES is a god and He rules over the netherworld. If he "rules" we understand that the INMATES are his to punish as he wishes.

A Christian is a Disciple of Christ: A Disciple attends Bible Class based on the Prophets and Apostles. The Spirit OF Christ spoke in Isaiah but you will mis that if you just do a word search:

Isa 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord:
.......... I am full of the burnt offerings of rams,
.......... and the fat of fed beasts;
.......... and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

Isa 1:12 When ye come to appear before me,
.......... who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?

Isa 1:13 Bring no more vain oblations;
.......... incense is an abomination unto me;
.......... the new moons and sabbaths,
.......... the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with;
.......... it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.

Prophesying Baptism

Isa 1:19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:

Isa 1:20 But if ye refuse and rebel,
.......... ye shall be devoured with the sword:
.......... for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.

Isa 1:21 How is the faithful city become an harlot
.......... it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.

Isa 1:22 Thy silver is become dross, thy wine mixed with water:

Isa 1:23 Thy princes are rebellious,
.......... and companions of thieves:
.......... every one loveth gifts,
.......... and followeth after rewards:
.......... they judge not the fatherless,
.......... neither doth the cause of the widow come unto them.

Isa 1:24 Therefore saith the Lord, the Lord of hosts, the mighty One of Israel,
.......... Ah, I will ease me of mine adversaries,
.......... and avenge me of mine enemies.

Isa 1:28 And the destruction of the transgressors
.......... and of the sinners shall be together,
.......... and they that forsake the Lord shall be consumed.

After they are CONSUMED:

Isa 1:29 For they shall be ashamed of the oaks which ye have desired,
.......... and ye shall be confounded for the gardens that ye have chosen.

Isa 1:30 For ye shall be as an oak whose leaf fadeth,
.......... and as a garden that hath no water.

Isa 1:31 And the strong shall be as tow,
.......... and the maker of it as a spark,
.......... and they shall both burn together,
.......... and none shall quench THEM.

THEM who shall not be quenched are THEM that rose up against God in musical idolatry

suc-cendo II. Trop., to kindle, inflame with passion, etc. (only poet.; cf. “succenseo): succendit Castora Phoebe,”
“Deucalion Pyrrhae succensus amore,” Ov. H. 15, 167: “altera succensa cupidine

suc-cendo ,
B. Transf., to inflame, redden:
II. Trop., to kindle, inflame with passion, etc. (only poet.; cf. “succenseo): succendit Castora Phoebe,” Prop. 1, 2, 15: “Deucalion Pyrrhae succensus amore, Luc. 6.166 ” Ov. H. 15, 167

Phoēbē , ēs, f., = Phoibē. I. The moongoddess, sister of Phœbus, i. e. Diana, Luna, or the moon: “vento semper rubet aurea Phoebe,” Verg. G. 1, 431; id. A. 3, 371; 6, 18: “Phoebe venantibus assit,

vĕnĭo , “mercator venit huc ad ludos,” id. Cist. 1, 3, 9: “parasitus modo venerat aurum petere,” Plaut. Bacch. 4, 3, 18: “ Verg. G. 1.431
A. In gen.: “vides, quo progrediente oratione venturum me puto,” Cic. Rep. 1, 40, 62

Phoebus , i, m., = Phoibos (the radiant), I.a poetical appellation of Apollo as the god of light: “quae mihi Phoebus Apollo Phœbean, Apollinean: “carmina,” Lucr. 2, 504: “lampas,” the sun, Verg. A. 4, 6: “virgo,” Daphne, Ov. P. 2, 2, 82: “laurus,” id. Tr. 4, 2, 51: “Rhodos,” where the worship of Apollo prevailed, id. M. 7, 365: “lyra,”

“(furorem) succendunt classica cantu,
“succensas agit libido mentes,

fŭror , ōris, m. furo,
I.a raging, raving (in sickness or violent passion), rage, madness, fury.
“versatur mihi ante oculos aspectus Cethegi et furor in vestra caede bacchantis,” Cic. Cat. 4, 6, 11:
of the fierce passion of love of the inspired frenzy of prophets and poets (as translation of the Gr. mania):
(b). Furor est, it is madness or folly raging desire

and none shall quench THEM.

ex-stinguo (ext- ), a., to put out what is burning, to quench, extinguish (class.;
B. Transf., to deprive of life or strength, to kill, destroy: “animam alicui,” Ter. Ad. 3, 2, 16

Edward Fudge: If we ask what the Old Testament says about hell, meaning a place where people are kept alive to be tormented forever, the answer will be “nothing.” … But if we go to the Old TestamenIst asking what it says about the end of the wicked, we will meet our first great surprise. (p. 67)

We may not know the meaning of HELL
We may not know how long is "for ever and ever."
We can be dogmatically certain that the WHOM are those who REPUDIATE hell and mock God with instrumental noise.

Is. 28:15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement;
        when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us:
         for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
Is. 28:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD,
        Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation:
         he that believeth shall not make haste.
Is. 28:17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet:
        and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.
Is. 28:18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled,
        and your agreement with hell shall not stand;
        when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.
Is. 28:19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you:
        for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night:
        and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.
Is. 28:20 For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it:
        and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.
Isaiah 28:21 For the LORD shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon,
        that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act.
Is. 28:22 Now therefore be ye not mockers,
        lest your bands be made strong: for I have heard from the Lord GOD of hosts
        a consumption, even determined upon the whole earth.

illūdo (inl- ),
To play with musical instruments or to play with one another.
1. To scoff or mock at, to make a laughing-stock of, to ridicule
“ipsa praecepta (rhetorum),
“voces Neronis, quoties caneret,” Tac. A. 14, 52: verbis virtutem superbis, Verg. A. 9, 634.

căno , canite o utter melodious notes, to sing, sound, play.
A. Of men: “si absurde canat,” Cic. Tusc. 2, 4, 12; Plin. Ep. 3, 18, 9: “celebrare dapes canendo,
tibiis canere non possit, “curvo calamo,” “cithara,”guitar
Esp., of the crowing of a cock: Worship of the Mother of Harlots a. In poetry: “Sibylla, Abdita quae senis fata canit pedibus,

Mark 10:34 And they shall mock him,

Latin Illudo as a female: Applied as a term of reproach, effeminate men, eloquence, rhētor but with idea of contempt, caneret,”
A. Of men: “si absurde canat, of the crooked race, a reed pipe, a guitar, crowing of a hen tibiae, tubae, Gallus , i, m., = Gallos Strab., A. Galli , the priests of Cybele, on account of their emasculated condition) Gallic: “turma,” the troop of the priests of Isis, Ov. Am. 2, 13, 18. “resupinati cessantia tympana Galli,” [resupinati cessantia tympana Galli, i. e. prostrate from drunkenness]
Gallos , ho, A. priest of Cybele,
gallazō , A. practise cult of Cybele,
Galli. Eunuch priests of Cybele or the great mother: begun under the reign of Erichthonius, king of Attica, B.C. 1506;

Paizo, 4. play on a musical instrument, h.Ap.206: c. acc., “Pan ho kalamophthogga paizōn” Ar.Ra.230; dance and sing, Pi. O.1.16. 5. play amorously, “pros allēlous” X.Smp.9.2

and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him:
and the third day he shall rise again

Consumption does not mean annihilation: The JEWS believed that both the good and evil were conscious as God gave them a spirit and took it back: it cannot be killed.

consummātĭo , ōnis, f. id. (postAug.).
I. A casting up or reckoning together, a summing up, a summary view.
“gladiatorum,” i. e. the main proof of their skill, id. 8, 7, 7, § 22: PRIMI PILI, i. e. the completed time of service

Speaking of the Instrumental music in worship condemned by Amos and others we note that:

"The marzeah had an extremely long history extending at least from the 14th century B.C. through the Roman period. In the 14th century B.C., it was prominently associated with the ancient Canaanite city of Ugarit (modern Ras Shamra), on the coast of Syria... The marzeah was a pagan ritual that took the form of a social and religious association... Some scholars regard the funerary marzeah as a feast for--and with--deceased ancestors (or Rephaim, a proper name in the Bible for the inhabitants of Sheol)." (King, Biblical Archaeological Review, Aug, 1988, p. 35, 35)

"These five elements are: (1) reclining or relaxing, (2) eating a meat meal, (3) singing with harp or other musical accompaniment, (4) drinking wine and (5) anointing oneself with oil." (King, p. 37).

"Worship was form more than substance; consequently, conduct in the marketplace was totally unaffected by worship in the holy place. Amos spoke from the conviction that social justice is an integral part of the Mosaic covenant, which regulates relations not only between God and people, but also among people." (King, p. 44).

"In pagan traditions, musical instruments are invented by gods or demi-gods, such as titans. In the Bible, credit is assigned to antediluvian patriarchs, for example, the descendants of Cain in Genesis 4:21. There is no other biblical tradition about the invention of musical instruments." (Freedman, David Noel, Bible Review, Summer 1985, p. 51).

5. Jane Carter, Tulane U.: "Thiasos and Marzeah: Ancestor Cult in the Age of Homer"

Syssitia of Sparta and Crete very similar: music, singing, probably lyre in both places; very similar institution, apparently: the Marzeah of Syria-Palestine, a gathering of prominent men in a house with its own vineyard supply, hereditary membership, perhaps involving a cult of ancestors. 8th c.

Hebrew prophet Amos denounces the luxurious marzeah of Samaria with men reclining on ivory couches; common motifs on ivory plaques: winged guardians, women at window, grazing animals, themes of fertility & rebirth, life-death transitions; Aristotle noted similarity of syssitia of Carthage to those of Crete & Sparta; fragment of Alcman re andreion, singing of paian; a thiasos was involved in syssitia; LXX OT translates marzeah as thiasos; orgeones are members of thiasos or koinon; inscription found in Piraeus: in Phoenician, by Sidonians, ref to a koinon; similar scenes are found on Attic geometric krateres.

Apparently an aristocratic cult institution whose participants can expect to join ancestors in afterlife.

PAUL QUOTED ISAIAH 28 ON SPEAKING IN TONGUES.

1Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues
        of men and of angels,               (condemned)
        and have not charity, (Grace)   (condemned)
        I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

La^l-eō, Mark of the Locusts II. chatter, Opposite. articulate speech, as of locusts, chirp, Theoc.5.34; mesēmbrias lalein tettix (sc. eimi), a very grasshopper to chirp at midday, III. of musical sounds, “aulō [flute] laleō” Theoc.20.29; “di'aulou [flute] ē salpiggos l.”[trumpet] Arist. Aud.801a29; of Echo, magadin lalein sound the magadis, [double flute]

Aggelos , of a loquacious person 2. generally, one that announces or tells, e.g. of birds of augury, Il.24.292,296; Mousōn aggelos, of a poet
Aggelos , ho, hē,
A. messenger, envoy, Il.2.26, etc.; “di' aggelōn homileein tini” Hdt.5.92.z, cf. SIG229.25 (Erythrae):— prov., Arabios a., of a loquacious person, Men.32.
2. generally, one that announces or tells, e.g. of birds of augury, Il.24.292,296; Mousōn aggelos, of a poet,“aggelon glōssan logōn” E.Supp.203; “aisthēsis hēmin a.” Plot.5.3.3; neut. pl., “aggela nikēs” Nonn.D.34.226.
4. In later philos., semi-divine being, “hēliakoi a.” Jul.Or.4.141b, “a. kai arkhaggeloi” also in mystical and magical writings, “aggela nikēs”

nik-ēi_, hē, II. pr. n., Nike, the goddess of victory, Hes.Th.384, cf. Pi.I.2.26, etc.; “Nikē Athana Polias” S.Ph.134, cf. E. Ion457 (lyr.), 1529.

1Cor. 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor,
and though I give my body to be burned,
and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

imitation, in OPPOSITION to what is original or real,

Ezek. 31:16 I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall,
        when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: [lăcus]
        and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water,
        shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.

sŏno , to make a noise, to sound, resound: aes sonit, the trumpet sounds, peak, call, cry out, sing,
“plectra,” [OUTLAWED BY PSALLO] Prop. 4 (5), 7, 62. tympana, “clamore viri, stridore
Pythius in longā carmina veste sonat,” sings, pours forth, accompanies on the lyre, “ventorum,”
“sonante mixtum tibiis carmen lyra,” te carmina nostra sonabunt, shall sing of, i. e. shall celebrate, praise, extol,

vĕnĭo “mercator venit huc ad ludos,” “parasitus modo venerat aurum petere,” Plaut. Bacch. 4, 3, 18:

venit penetratque foramina,” had fallen into contempt.

Isaiah 30 the SOUNDS of God beating His enemies into hell are Wind, String and Percussion instruments.
Revelation 18 the speakers, singers, instrument players, craftsmen (staff-parsites) will be CAST ALIVE into the lake of fire.

Ezek. 31:17 They also went down into hell with him unto them that be slain with the sword;
and they that were his arm, that dwelt under his shadow in the midst of the heathen.

Ezekiel 31:18 To whom art thou thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden? yet shalt thou be brought down with the trees of Eden unto the nether parts of the earth: thou shalt lie in the midst of the uncircumcised with them that be slain by the sword. This is Pharaoh and all his multitude, saith the Lord GOD.

Prophecy by the Spirit OF Christ:

Ezek. 32:21 The strong among the mighty
shall speak to him out of the midst of hell with them that help him:
they are gone down, they lie uncircumcised, slain by the sword.

Prophecy made more certain for a time like this.
In Revelation 17 The Babylon Mother of Harlots (the original one) uses "lusted after fruits" (same as in Amos 8).
In Revelation 18 THEM THAT HELP HIM are the religious craftsmen (staff, parasites), singers and instrument players are called sorcerers and WILL BE cast alive into the lake of fire. Rhetoric, singing, playing instruments, acting are CRAFTS learned, practiced, delivered and admired based on STRICT LAWS.

Rev. 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
Rev. 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone,
        where the beast and the false prophet are,
        and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

WHAT IS A PLAGUE: PLESSO 3. strike or stamp as one does a coin, Kuprios kharaktēr . .
   en gunaikeiois tupois “peplēktai” Strike a string with a key,
        EPHTHENXATO--trumpet (thunder), flute, lyre, Phormigx (ABADDON'S instrument), melody in a holy place, CLAPPING HANDS
BEAST: Thērion , “hē mousikē aei ti kainon thērion tiktei” [a new style of music or Satyric (Cappella) drama]

THE IMAGE is "turning the Word of God into a song.
Imāgo , ĭnis, f. cf. imitor, I.an imitation, copy of a thing, carmen imagine vivat,” “epistula, a reverberation of sound, an ech,
imitation, in OPPOSITION to what is original or real,

Ezek. 32:27 And they shall not lie with the mighty that are fallen of the uncircumcised,
        which are gone down to hell
                [infernus “infernas umbras carminibus elicere,” to raise the dead by magical incantations, Tac. A. 2, 28:]
        with their weapons of war:
        and they have laid their swords under their heads,
              but their iniquities shall be upon their bones,
              though they were the terror of the mighty in the land of the living.
Ezek. 32:28 Yea, thou shalt be broken in the midst of the uncircumcised,
        and shalt lie with them that are slain with the sword.

con-tĕro to grind, bruise, pound, to crumble, separate into small pieces. to tread upon frequently,
to waste, consume, to exhaust, frustrā to deceive, cheat one

Ezek. 32:29 There is Edom, her kings, and all her princes,
        which with their might are laid by them that were slain by the sword:
        they shall lie with the uncircumcised, and with them that go down to the pit.
Ezek. 32:30 There be the princes of the north, all of them,
        and all the Zidonians, which are gone down with the slain;
        with their terror they are ashamed of their might;
        and they lie uncircumcised with them that be slain by the sword,
        and bear their shame with them that go down to the pit.

Edward Fudge: Surprise: perish and destroy can mean just that. … Surprise: teeth gnashing means anger, not pain. … Surprise: eternal fire destroys forever. (pp. 92,95,107)

THE MEANING OF GNASHING: Weeping cannot happen if the evil are just burned up. Paul spoke of giving his body to be burned (by the Jews)

Klauthm-os

Aristot. Pol. 7.1336a The legislators in the Laws forbid allowing children to have paroxysms of crying, but this prohibition is a mistake; violent crying contributes to growth, for it serves in a way as exercise for the body, since holding the breath is the strength giving factor in hard labor, and this takes place also with children when they stretch themselves in crying.

Brug-mos , ho,

A. biting, ib.716 (pl., v.l. brukhmos); gobbling, Eup.347; chattering, shivering ,b. odontōn gnashing of teeth, Ev.Matt.8.12, al.

II. roaring of a lion, LXX Pr.19.12.

Proverbs 19:12 The king's wrath is like the roaring of a lion, But his favor is like dew on the grass
Frĕmo , “viae laetitiā ludisque plausuque,” resound, festis ululatibus, [halal] “lupus rumor de tibicine Fremit in theatro,

lūdĭus I. A stageplayer, pantomimist: plaudo to clap, strike, beat any thing 1. To clap the hands in token of approbation, to applaud, clap “usque Sessuri, donec cantor, vos plaudite, dicat,” Hor. A. P. 155; to applaud one's self, to be satisfied or well contented with one's self:

Cantor (mutato nomine cantorem pro musico In a contemptuous sense: “cantor formularum,” [All music follows a formula and is therefore contemtuous legalis.]

9.07.14 EDWARD REPUDIATES THE WORDS OF JESUS TO PROVE HIS ASUMPTION

Surprise: perish and destroy can mean just that. … Surprise: teeth gnashing means anger, not pain. … Surprise: eternal fire destroys forever. (pp. 92,95,107)

TEXT BEFORE EDWARD FUDGE BEGINS TO QUOTE

Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them,
        Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it
        unto one of the least of these my brethren,
        ye have done it unto me.
Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand,
        Depart from me, ye cursed,
        into everlasting fire, [Fire is fire but everlasting fire lasts at least one earth age or world to come]
        prepared for the devil and his angels:
Matthew 25:42 For I was an hungred,
        and ye gave me no meat:
        I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

EVERYONE GETS CAST INTO THE GRAVE:

Jesus said: but the righteous into eternal LIFE.” (Matt. 25.46) …

        But, Edward Fudge says: What is permanent in eternal SALVATION?
        The thing that continues forever is the salvation that results, [We are saved by obedient faith before we die]
                not the process of saving that produces that result. …

Short-Term Memory maybe: Jesus didn't speak about eternal salvation or a condition of safety. He said eternal LIFE.

Jesus said: “These will go away into eternal PUNISHMENT

Edward Fudge says: Eternal JUDGMENT is judgment that ends.
Eternal punishment results from punishing that stops, [Jesus said that punishment is ETERNAL]

Edward Fudge then ADDS

and destroying will not continue without end,
but the destruction that results will be everlasting. (pp. 101,103)

Paul says: 2Th. 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction
from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Edward Fudge's penalty is defined by Peter elsewhere.

2Pet. 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood,
which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest,
as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Destruction happens while the UNSTABLE are wresting. They don't DIE because they wrest.

intĕr-ĕo to go among several things, become lost among them, mingle with them, I am ruined, undone: they are dead while they liveth. [receive no comfort 2 Samuel 30]

SOME EXAMPLES

Colossians 2:[23] Which things indeed appear like wisdom in self-imposed worship, and humility, and severity to the body;
        but aren't of any value against the indulgence of the flesh.

Ezekiel 22:[5] Those who are near, and those who are far from you, shall mock you,
        you infamous one [and] full of tumult.

Proverbs 1:[24] Because I have called, and you have refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no one has paid attention;
Proverbs 1:[25] But you have ignored all my counsel, And wanted none of my reproof;
Proverbs 1: [26] I also will laugh at your disaster. I will mock when calamity overtakes you;

Psalm 9:[15] The nations have sunk down in the pit that they made;
        In the net which they hid, their own foot is taken.
Psalm 9: [16] Yahweh has made himself known. He has executed judgment.
        The wicked is snared by the work of his own hands. Meditation. Selah.
Psalm 9:[17] The wicked shall be turned back to Sheol,
        Even all the nations that forget God.

Everyone that dies is cast into the grave: Sheol is something reserved for those who DENY the Word or Regulative Pr4inciple.

… the punishment of the wicked consists not only of dying the second death itself and experiencing every pain suffered in the process of dying, but also the loss of every good blessing, every godly companion, and of every moment that might otherwise have been enjoyed in a new heaven and a new earth forever without end. (p. 106)

That may be true. However, it is for ever and ever and ever.

TOPHETH IS DERIVED FROM A TABRET. Christ said that God uses this practice as a type of what happens to those who fall into musical idolatry: they are driven into "hell" to the sound of wind, string and percussion instruments. The innocent infants were consumed by the fire as the clergy played musical instruments. However, they were consumed in a few moments. The wicked will be PUNISHED for ever and ever the CONSUMING goes on and on.

"Sometimes he was represented as a horrible idol with fire burning inside so that what was placed in his arms was consumed. In the above illustration, a heathen priest has taken a baby from its mother to be offered to Molech. Lest the parents should relent, a loud noise was made on drums to hide the screams The word for drums is tophim from which the word 'Tophet,' the place mentioned in verses such as Jeremiah 7:31: ''They have built the high place of Tophet... to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire. While drums sounded, bands played, and priests chanted, human sacrifices were devoured in the flames." (Woodrow, p. 72-73).
The Music Grove Stands for Hell

When Israel came into Canaan they enjoyed "joint meetings" with the idolaters at the groves or high places. It was from these high places that we see the charismatic prophets coming down to meet with Saul as they assisted in "turning him into another man." Of topeth one writer notes that--

"the most probable is its connection with a root meaning 'burning'--'place of burning." (Int Std Bible Ency, p. 2999)

Topheth "denotes properly what causes loathing or abhorrence; that which produces disgust and vomiting" (Barnes). This association between loathing of Topheth and the tabret was so clear that the early revisers have Job 17:6 KJV saying:

"He that speaketh flattery to his friends, even the eyes of his shildren shall fail. He hath made me also a byword of the people; and aforetime I was as a tabret."

Thus, "I was an abhorrence" became "I was a tabret." In either case one beat upon it or him when he was just as innocent as the child sacrificed to Moloch.

"This valley was early selected as the seat of the worship of Moloch, where his rites were celebrated by erecting a huge brazen image with a hollow trunk and arms, which was heated, and within which, or on the arms of which, children were placed as a sacrifice to the horrid idol. To drown their cries, drums were beaten, which were called Tophim." (Barnes, Isaiah 33, p. 463).

From the evidence we understand that the "music grove" which Solomon established along with the temples of his idolatrous wives, finally became the symbol of hell itself.

Topheth occurs in two places in a striking comparison. In verse 32 it is tambourines or tabrets in the King James Version. In verse 33 it is Topeth. The tabrets with which Satan came equipped are a symbol of punishment and the almost identical word, topheth, is the place which came to stand for hell.

"The Hebrew words are nearly identical; and Tophet was probably the kings 'music grove' or garden, denoting originally nothing evil or hateful. Afterwards it was defiled by idols, and polluted by the sacrifices of Baal and the fires of Molech. Then it became the place of abomination, the very gate or pit of hell." (Smith, p. 960)

"Once the music-grove, where Solomon's singers, with voice and instrument, regaled the king, the court and the city; then the temple of Baal, the high place of Moloch, resounding with the cries of burning infants; then (in symbol) the place where is the wailing and gnashing of teeth." (p. 3313-14, four-volume Smith).

Astrology is one of the primary methods of obtaining a message from the dead.

"Manesseh also cultivated star and planetary worship (II Kings 21:3, 5) and the cult of Moloch, an Ammonite deity, whose worship was closely connected with astral divination (Amos 5:25, 26 Acts 7:41-43) and whose ritual was characterized by parents sacrificing their children by compelling them to pass through or into a furnace of fire." (Unger, Merrill, Archaeology and th]e Old Testament, Zondervan, P. 279)

Edward Fudge:: In one sense, Paul says more about hell than anyone else in the Bible. Rather remarkable, since he never uses the word “hell.” That raises an interesting question. If Paul does not use the word “hell,” yet still says the most about it, what kind of language does he use …? … die, perish, and destroy. (p. 127)

We have quoted some of Paul Who defers to the Spirit OF Christ in Isaiah 28 for instance.

Edward Fudge: ‘Based on Old Testament comments about Sheol, the wisest way to understand Hades is simply as a symbol for the invisible realm of the dead. To say more than that becomes very troublesome when one recalls that Jesus is pictured as in Hades (or Sheol) between his death and his resurrection. (Acts. 2:27,31)’[10]

JESUS WENT INTO HELL TO PREACH TO THOSE WHO WERE INNOCENT BEFORE THE FLOOD. They must have been alive.

Humans see Sheol as humans: They see that dead people cannot enjoy the fruits of life.

Song 8.[4] I adjure you, daughters of Jerusalem, That you not stir up, nor awaken love, Until it so desires. Friends [5] Who is this who comes up from the wilderness, Leaning on her beloved? Under the apple tree I aroused you. There your mother conceived you. There she was in labor and bore you. [6] Set me as a seal on your heart, As a seal on your arm;
        For love is strong as death.
        Jealousy is as cruel as Sheol; Its flashes are flashes of fire, A very flame of Yahweh.
[7] Many waters can't quench love, Neither can floods drown it.
        If a man would give all the wealth of his house for love, He would be utterly scorned

That must mean that water cannot quench hell.

Ezekiel 31.16] I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall,
         when I cast him down to Sheol with those who descend into the pit;
        and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water,
        were comforted in the lower parts of the earth.

IN ADDITION: [17] They also went down into Sheol with him to those who are slain by the sword; yes, those who were his arm, [that] lived under his shadow in the midst of the nations. [18] To whom are you thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden? yet shall you be brought down with the trees of Eden to the lower parts of the earth:
        you shall lie in the midst of the uncircumcised, with those who are slain by the sword.
        This is Pharaoh and all his multitude, says the Lord Yahweh.

Numbers 16.30] But if Yahweh make a new thing, [NOT JUST THE GRAVE] and the ground open its mouth, and swallow them up, with all that appertain to them, and they go down alive into Sheol;
        then you shall understand that these men have despised Yahweh.
[31] It happened, as he made an end of speaking all these words, that the ground split apart that was under them;
[32] and the earth opened its mouth, and swallowed them up, and their households, and all the men who appertained to Korah, and all their goods. [33] So they, and all that appertained to them,
        went down ALIVE into Sheol: and the earth closed on them,
        and they perished from among the assembly.

-Tarta^r-os , ho, also hē Pi.P.1.15
A.the nether world generally
II. personified as husband of Gaia and father of Typhoeus, Hes.Th.822; ō Gas pai kai Tartarou, of Cerberus, S.OC1574 (lyr.).

skotos , darkness of the soul, uncertain like death.

-Tartarus

A. Tartărĕus , a, um, adj., of or belonging to the infernal regions, Tartarean, infernal: “tenebrica plaga,

plēgē blow, stroke, wound, stripe. “scorpionum et canum plagas sanare, heaven-sent plague
3. stroke or impression on the ears or eyes,

Cic. poët. Tusc. 2, 9, 22: antrum,” i. e. the infernal regions, Luc. 6, 712: “umbrae,” Ov. M. 6, 676; 12, 257: “custos,” i. e. Cerberus, Verg. A. 6, 395: “Acheron,” id. ib. 6, 295: “Phlegethon,” id. ib. 6, 551: “sorores,” i. e. the Furies, id. ib. 7, 328; Stat. Th. 5, 66; “hence, vox Alectus,” Verg. A. 7, 514.—
B. Tartărĭnus , a, um, adj., Tartarean, infernal; poet. for horrid, terrible: “Tartarino cum dixit Ennius, horrendo et terribili Verrius vult accipi, a Tartaro, qui locus apud inferos,” Fest. p. 359 Müll.: corpore Tartarino prognata Paluda virago, Enn. ap. Varr. L. L. 7, 37 ib.—Trop.: “delator,” Amm. 15, 6, 1.

HH 3 305 [335] “Hear now, I pray, Earth and wide Heaven above and you Titan gods who dwell beneath the earth about great Tartarus,
and from whom are sprung both gods and men!
Harken you now to me, one and all, and grant that I may bear a child apart from Zeus, no wit lesser than him in strength —nay, let him be as much stronger than Zeus as all-seeing Zeus than Cronos.” [340] Thus she cried and lashed the earth with her strong hand. Then the life-giving earth was moved: and when Hera [EVE] saw it she was glad in heart, for she thought her prayer would be fulfilled. And thereafter she never came to the bed of wise Zeus for a full year, [345] nor to sit in her carved chair as aforetime to plan wise counsel for him, but stayed in her temples where many pray, and delighted in her offerings, large-eyed queenly Hera. [Eve]

2 Peter 2 But there also arose false prophets among the people, as among you also there will be false teachers,
        who will secretly bring in destructive heresies,
        denying even the Master who bought them, bringing on themselves swift destruction.
2 Peter 2. [2] Many will follow their destructive ways,
        and as a result, the way of the truth will be maligned.
2 Peter 2. [3] In covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words:
        whose sentence now from of old doesn't linger,
        and their destruction will not slumber.
2 Peter 2.[4] For if God didn't spare angels when they sinned,
        but cast them down to Tartarus,
        and committed them to pits of darkness,
        to be reserved to judgment;

Abaddon or Apollyon is the leader or spirit guide of the Locusts who are the MUSES who had been cast into the netherworld. They are the speakers, singers and instrument players John called SORCERERS who HAD deceived the whole world. He and they have been released from the smokey pit ready to try to deceive the whole world again. However, John says that they will FINALLY be cast alive into the LAKE OF FIRE.

2 Peter 2. [5] and didn't spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah with seven others, a preacher of righteousness,
        when he brought a flood on the world of the ungodly;
2 Peter 2.[6] and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction,
        having made them an example to those who would live ungodly;

Everyone dies, but there is something different for the ungodly

2 Peter 2.[7] and delivered righteous Lot, who was very distressed by the lustful life of the wicked
2 Peter 2.[8] (for that righteous man dwelling among them,
        was tormented in his righteous soul from day to day with seeing and hearing lawless deeds):
2 Peter 2.[9] the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptation
        and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment;
2 Peter 2.12] But these, as unreasoning creatures, born natural animals to be taken and destroyed,
        speaking evil in matters about which they are ignorant,
        will in their destroying surely be destroyed,
2 Peter 2.[13] receiving the wages of unrighteousness;
        people who count it pleasure to revel in the day-time,
        spots and blemishes, reveling in their deceit while they feast with you;

AGAIN, THE WHO GOES TO HELL FOR TORMENTING THE GODLY

13 hēdonēn hēgoumenoi tēn en hēmera truphēn, spiloi kai mōmoi entruphōntes en tais apatais autōn suneuōkhoumenoi humin,

Hedone A. enjoyment, pleasure, first in Simon.71, S.l.c., Hdt.1.24, al.; prop. of sensual pleasures,

Hēgeomai , 2. c. dat. pers. et gen. rei, to be one's leader in a thing, “theios aoidos . . hēmin hēgeisthō . . orkhēthmoio” Od.23.134; hē. tini sophias, ōdēs, Lead, command in war.

Truph-ē ,softness, delicacy, daintiness, 2 Ep.Pet.2.13; II. luxuriousness, wantonness, “tōn gunaikōn hē t.” Ar.Lys.387; t. kai akolasia, t. kai malthakia,

Paison paizô [pais] 4. play on a musical instrument, h.Ap.206: c. acc., “Pan ho kalamophthogga paizōn” Ar.Ra.230; dance and sing, Pi. O.1.16. 5. play amorously, “pros allēlous” X.Smp.9.2; “meta tinos” LXX Ge.26.8; of mares

Spilos i

A. spot, fleck, blemish, Hp.Ep.16, Dorio ap.Ath.7.297c; “s. haimatos” J.AJ13.11.3 (pl.); on the moon, Plu.2.921f; on the face or body, Dsc.1.33, Luc.Am.15, Artem.5.67, Lib.Decl.26.19, Gp.12.26.2: metaph., stain of impurity or vice, Lysis ap.Iamb.VP 17.76, Ep.Eph.5.27; of persons, D.H.4.24 (cj.), 2 Ep.Pet.2.13. (Att. use kēlis acc. to Phryn.21.) [spilos Hdn.Gr.2.920; but i^ in the equiv. spilas (B) and in the compd. aspilos.]

Spil-oō ,

A. stain, soil, D.H.9.6, Ep.Jac.3.6; mark, leukais (with leucodermia) Cat.Cod.Astr.8(4).174:—Pass., eidos spilōthen khrōmasi, of a painting, LXX Wi.15.4: pf. part. “espilōmenos” soiled, Ep. Jud. 23, cf. Luc.Am.15: simply, to be MARKED, Hld.10.15.

Mōmos ,
A. blame, reproach, disgrace, mōmon anapsai to SET A BRAMD UPON ONE Od.2.86, cf. Semon.7.84,105, Pi.O.6.74, P.1.82; “brotōn m. pantessi . . estin ep' ergois” B.12.202, cf. APl.4.84; “ou gar esth' hopōs spoudēs dikaias m. hapsetai pote” S.Fr.257: also in later Prose, as LXX Si.11.31, Cic.Att.5.20.6, Plu.2.820a, Luc.Herm.20.

2. blemish, LXXLe.24.19, al., 2 Ep.Pet.2.13.

II. personified, Momus, first in Hes.Th.214, cf. Pl.R.487a, Babr.59.6.

Entru^ph-aō ,

A. revel in, delight in, c. dat., “exousia” E.Fr.362.24; “gamēliō lekhei” Men.535.8; “hēdonais” D.S.19.71, cf. Luc.JTr.21; in good sense, “dikaiosunē” Ph.2.258; of persons, “Pelopida” Plu.Pel.30; “en tini” D.C.65.20; in bad sense, “en tais agapais” 2 Ep.Pet.2.13; komai anemois enetruphōn it was playing in the wind, Chaerem.1.7: abs., X.HG4.1.30, Ph.1.666.

II. treat haughtily or contemptuously, “tini” E.Cyc. 588, Plu.Them.18, Alciphr.1.35; exult over, “tinos horais” Jul.ad Ath.279c; “en tini” LXXHb.1.10: abs., Plu.Alc.23:—Pass., to be made a mock of, Id.Lys.6, Caes.64.

III. use or abuse at pleasure, tois nomois, tois sunousi, Luc.Abd.10, Merc.Cond.35,al.

Chor-a , Ion. hor-rē , h(, (herō) A. bringing together, collecting, “belōn” Polem.Cyn.24; conjunction, “nousōn muriōn te kai kakōn” Aret. SD2.11

Corrupt: Eve was wholly deceived by the "serpent" better known as a Musical Prophesier

Apataō a^p], late Ion. apaskhol-eō Luc.Syr.D.27 (Pass.): impf. A. “ēpatōn” E.El.938, Ion. ex-apataskon Orac. in Ar.Pax1070: fut. -ēsō: aor. ēpatēsa, Ion. “ap-” Il.9.344, S.Tr.500 (lyr.): pf. “ēpatēka” Id.Ph. 929:—Pass., fut. “apatēthēsomai” Arist.APr.67a38, cf. (ex-) Pl.Cra. 436b, Aeschin.2.123; also in Med. form “apatēsomai” Pl.Phdr.262a, (ex-) X.An.7.3.3: aor. “ēpatēthēn” Pl.Cri.52e: pf. “ēpatēmai” Th.5.46, etc.: (apatē):—cheat, deceive, Il.19.97, Od.17.139, etc.; cheat one's hopes, Hes.Op.462; “hoi' ēpatēkas” S.Ph.929; “klemmata . . a ton polemion apatēsas” Th.5.9: abs., to be deceptive or fallacious, Arist.Rh. 1376b28:—Pass., to be self-deceived, mistaken, Pi.Fr.182, S.OT594, Pl.Phdr.262a, etc.; “egnōka . . phōtos ēpatēmenē” S.Aj.807; ti gar ouk . . erkhetai aggelias apatōmenon; comes not belied by the result? Id.El.170; “a. peri ti” Arist.Rh.1368b22; “peri tinos” Id.Sens.442b8; “a. tautēn tēn apatēn” Id.AP0.74a6; also apatasthai hōs . . to be deceived into thinking that . ., Pl.Prt.323a.—The compd. exapataō is more common, esp. in Hdt. and Att. Prose; the simple Verb is used in LXX Ge.3.13, al., but not by Plb., and is rare in later Greek, Plu. 2.15d

Apat-ē ,
A. trick, fraud, deceit, “nun de kakēn apatēn bouleusato” Il.2.114, cf. 4.168: in pl., wiles, ouk ar' emelles . . lēxein apataōn, says Athena to Ulysses, Od.13.294, cf. Il.15.31; “skoliai apatai” Pi.Fr.213.
2. guile, treachery, “atan apata metagnous” A.Supp.111, cf. S.OC230; “apatēs dikaias ouk apostatei theos” A.Fr.301, cf. Pers.93; “a. erōtōn” S.Ant.617; “diabolē kai a.” Antipho 6.7, etc.; a. euprepēs, opp. bia emphanēs, Th.4.86; “ē bia ē apatē” 2.39; a. lekheōn a being cheated out of the marriage, S.Ant.630; aneu dolou kai apatēs 'without fraud or covin', Hdt.1.69; “meta skotous kai a.” Pl.Lg.864c.
3. Apatē, personified, Hes. Th.224, Luc.Merc.Cond.42.
II. beguiling of time, pastime (not Att., Moer.65), Plb.4.20.5; “psukhēs” Dicaearch.1.1; “psukhagōgiai kai apatai tēs poleōs” D.Chr.32.5.
III. as name of a plant, f.l. for apapē (

IMPURE GRACE

Kharizō , fut. 3. in erotic sense, grant favours to a man, Ar.Ec.629 (anap.), Pl.Smp.182a, Phdr.231c, 256a, X.Mem.3.11.12, etc.: hence of Comedy, “oligois kharisasthai” Ar.Eq.517 (anap.): c. acc. cogn., “kh. thēleian apolausin” Luc.Am. 27.

2 Peter 2. [14] having eyes full of adultery, and who can't cease from sin;
        enticing unsettled souls; having a heart trained in greed; children of cursing;
2 Peter 2.[15] forsaking the right way, they went astray,
        having followed the way of Balaam the son of Beor,
        who loved the wages of wrong-doing;
2 Peter 2. [16] but he was rebuked for his own disobedience.
        A mute donkey spoke with man's voice and stopped the madness of the prophet.

        2 Peter 2.17] These are wells without water, clouds driven by a storm;
                for whom the blackness of darkness has been RESEARVED forever.
        2 Peter 2.[18] For, uttering great swelling words of emptiness,
                they entice in the lusts of the flesh, by licentiousness,
            those who are indeed escaping from those who live in error;

cālīgo (call- )A. (Causa pro effectu.) Darkness, obscurity, gloom (produced by mist, fog, etc.; freq. with tenebrae; had caused dizziness,
1. In gen., mental blindness, dulness of perceptio 2. Of dark, difficult circumstances, calamity, affliction, gloom:

tĕnē^brae 2. A prison, dungeon: “clausi in tenebris, cum maerore et luctu morte graviorem vitam exigunt,” Sall. J. 14, 15: in atras et profundas tenebras eum claudebant, Tubero ap. Gell. 6, 4, 3. —
II. Trop., darkness, gloom, obscurity of the mind, of fame, of fortune, fate, etc.

They are reserved forever in that state:

rĕ-servo With a simple object, to keep from perishing, to save, preserve

2 Peter 2.2 Peter 2.[19] promising them liberty, while they themselves are bondservants of corruption;
for by whom a man is overcome, by the same is he also brought into bondage

THE FALSE PREMISE BY EDWARD FUDGE
Acts 2:26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
Acts 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell,
        neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Acts 2:28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David,
        that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
Acts 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him,
        that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh,
        he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

Jesus was dead Body and Soul: that is, there was no soul or "life" while He was in the tomb. However, being dead body and soul does not make one dead IN THE SPIRIT:

Rom. 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord,
        which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Rom. 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power,
        according to the spirit of holiness,
        by the resurrection from the dead:

The body returns to the dust but the spirit returns to God WHO GAVE IT. Spirits do not die.

1Pet. 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God,
        being put to death in the flesh,
        but quickened by the Spirit:
1Pet. 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
1Pet. 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient,
        when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah,
        while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

1Pet. 3:21   The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh,
        but the answer [request for] of a good conscience toward God,)
        by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
1Pet. 3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God;
        angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him

It is possibly to be spiritual dead but not unconscious

Col. 2:13   And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh,
        hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

1Pet. 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead,
        that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

Rom. 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law,
        that being dead wherein we were held;
        that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Rom. 8:10   And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin;
        but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom. 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you,
        he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies
        by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

That says that when we are dead in the flesh our spirit is still alive because it is given by God.

Horus was the posthumous son and heir of the god Osiris, the primordial king and giver of life. He was invited by his uncle, Seth, to spend a day. Seth’s real motive was not to show him hospitality but to disqualify him from inheriting his father’s royal power. To this end, while Horus slept Seth committed an act of sodomy upon him. Since sodomy was inflicted as a punishment on a defeated enemy and was a symbol of domination, Seth could then claim that he had conquered Horus and demand the kingship in his place.