- ringing cry
- of entreaty, supplication
- in proclamation, joy, praise
David Faust Cincinnati Christian University (NCCA): God Prophesied the use of Instrumental Music in the church in Psalm 87? Rick Atchley says that God commanded instrumental praise and we should not be disobedient. The Bible begins and ends by associating music with the fall in the garden and the Mother of Harlots (Revelation 17) who uses singers and instrument players whom John called sorcerers (Revelation 18) who HAD deceived the whole world. Then is this the great delusion Paul promised in 2 Thessalonians. The Christian church has enlisted a few dupes in an attempt to deliberately sow discord in order to restore the unity of two groups which were never kissing kin.
David Faust and the Temple
David Faust promoting instrumental discord at FHU.
David Faust: did Scripure prophesy instrumental music
Psalm 87 is the usual "prophecy of instrumental music" in the church: if so, then Jesus missed a good chance to affirm it when he cast out the musical minstrels "like dung" and consigned the pipers, singers and dancers to the commercial-pagan polluted Agora or marketplace. First, some background:
"The truth is that these pseudo-intellectuals are virtually alone in their contention that they have made no basic shift in religious emphasis. I do not believe that there is a reputable scholar in the country who would not consider their protestations the ridiculous aberrations of blinded religionists. Everyone knows the situation in the church of Christ today except the liberal 'intellectuals.'" " The smug liberal 'Church-of-Christer' intellectual does not have the support of modern scholarship; he is exposed by it" (Emergence of the 'Church of Christ Denomination p. 27). Dr. David Edwin Harrell, Jr.
This is a rough collection of notes to match David Faust's, Rick Atchley and all of the Christian church writers who twist every Biblical passage and church scholar seeking validation for their musical sectarian where music is THE mark of legalism.
Without going into detail, in part one we looked at a primary PROOF that god wanted the use of instruments to drive Him into charismatic ecstasy. The fact is that music is the MARK and cause of all falls from Grace; Did Jesus NOT address the instrumental issue?
We saw that:
- God promised David a TENT
- BUT, Solomon built Him a House
- BUT, God doesn't live in man-made houses nor is He "worshipped" by the WORKS of human hands.
- A musical instrument is defined as a MACHINE for doing hard work or producing shock and awe.
- The goal of all pagan religions was to WORK people into a frenzy to make the feel the presence of the "gods" which they called demons.
- When they made the great, crashing sound God SHUT DOWN the once easy access to the Mercy Seat and His Grace because only one person once a year could go before the throne of Grace.
- The Restored Fallen Tabernacle of David is the church of Christ which is the ekklesia or school of the Bible and, as in David's Tabernacle, uses no musical instruments to silence the Word of God. The Sacrifices have ceased.
ALL musical events in the Bible are the cause or mark of God abandoning people to their own evil works. Here is what David Faust wants you to believe about a "god in his own image." In 2 Chronicles 5:13-14
David Faust: "Then the temple of the Lord was filled with a cloud, and the priests could not perform their service because of the cloud, for the glory of the Lord filled the temple of God" God's "glory" in the form of a cloud was an expression of God's joy, pleasure, approval, and deligh
- The priests could not "contribute as a worshiper."
- God shut off the Holy Place which as a symbolic form of the long-future church.
- The Incense altar was cut off so most priests could not MEDIATE in prayer.
- The bread of fellowship was removed.
- The Menorah or "seven spirits OF God in forms of Divine Knowledge" was removed.
- The Most Holy Place exiled the symbolic presence of God by the Ark of the Covenant.
- The Grace of God was exiled under the Mercy Seat.
- God's place of worship was guarded by Cherubim
- As the Garden of Eden was guarded
- As the Covenant of Grace broken because of musical idolatry
- As David was exiled from Gibeon
All "Civilians" not part of the Monarchy were always PUT OUTSIDE the Camp when they heard the loud "noise."
- However, the people who were present and not part of the Temple- State prayed directly to God.
- God heard from HEAVEN and not from inside the House He did not need or want.
- This would be so until Jesus returns. God did not command nor need mediators between Himself and righteous people.
Everyone not connected to this Federal Government, which replaced tribal or "congregational" authority, attended "synagogue" on all Sabbath days: this was on many first days and all seventh days. The Synagogue was "the church in the wilderness" according to Timothy who denied that God promised David a Temple.
The final straw was when the elders fired God and demanded a national king so they could worship like the nations.
BECAUSE GOD ABANDONED THE NATION TO WORSHIP THE STARRY HOST, WHY BE SURPRISED THAT WHAT DAVID COMMANDED VIOLATED THE UNCHANGELABLE LAW OF MOSES?And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations. 1 Sam 8:5
Gowy (h1471) go'ee; rarely (short.) goy go'-ee; appar. from the same root as 1465 (in the sense of massing); a foreign nation; hence a Gentile; also (fig.) a troop of animals, or a flight of locusts: - Gentile, heathen, nation, people
And that which cometh into your mind shall not be at all, that ye say, We will be as the heathen, as the families of the countries, to serve wood and stone. Eze.20:32
And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected
thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them. 1 Sam 8:7According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee. 1 Sam 8:8
Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them,
and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them. 1 Sam 8:9
"The book of Psalms contain new doctrine after the Law of Moses. And after the writing of Moses, it is the second book of doctrine... (David) first gave to the Hebrews a new style of psalmody, why which he abrogates the ordinances established by Moses with respect to sacrifices,
and introduces the new hymn and a new style of jubilant praise in the worship of God;
and throughout his whole ministry he teaches very many other things that went beyond the law of Moses." (Fragment of Commentary by Hippolytus, bishop of Rome, Ante-Nicene, V, p. 170)"The trained musicians which eventually appear around the time of David and Solomon mark a distinctive change in the history of Jewish music. Before this time much of the music was made by women." (Zondervan Pict., Music p. 313).
"Women and girls from the different ranks of society were proud to enter the service of the gods as singers and musicians. The understanding of this service was universal: these singers constituted the 'harem of the gods'." "The Catholic Johannes Quasten in Pagan and Christian Music tells it like it is)
God then defines the monarchy as quite identical to the Babylonian Harlot seen again in Revelation 18:22.
Here is Apollo's sun chariot.And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots [musical]. 1 Sam 8:12Because the worship to which Israel was ABANDONED is seen as that of Apollo or Apollyon and the Muses called Locusts in Revelatin 17-18 we know that there has only been one enemy of God in all ages.And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers. 1 Sam 8:13
chamman, the King James Version "images," "idols"; the Revised Version (British and American) "sun-images" (Leviticus 26:30; 2 Chronicles 14:5; 34:4,7; Isaiah 17:8; 27:9; Ezekiel 6:4,6):
This worship may originally have come from Babylonia, but the reverence of the sun under the name Baal-hamman had long been common in Palestine before Joshua and the Israelites entered the country. These sun-images were probably obelisks or pillars connected with the worship of some local Baal. The chariot and horses of the sun, mentioned (2 Kings 23:11) as having an honored place at the western entrance of the Jerusalem Temple, represented not a local but a foreign cult. In Babylonian temples, sacrifices were made to the sun-chariot, which seems to have had a special significance in time of war (Pinches, HDB, IV, 629; see also CHARIOTS OF THE SUN).
What would Jesus think? The False preachers also missed that the Spirit OF Christ spoke ONLY through the prophets: it is a lie that the "holy spirit" guided the elders and preachers to lie about all of the Bible.So the children went in and possessed the land, and thou subduedst before them the inhabitants of the land, the Canaanites, and gavest them into their hands, with their kings, and the people of the land, that they might do with them as they would. Neh 9:24
And they took strong cities, and a fat land, and possessed houses full of all goods, wells digged, vineyards, and oliveyards, and fruit trees in abundance:
so they did eat, and were filled, and became fat, and delighted themselves in thy great goodness. Neh 9:25
Nevertheless they were disobedient, and rebelled against thee, and cast thy law behind their backs,
and slew thy prophets which testified against them to turn them to thee,
and they wrought great provocations. Neh 9:26Neither have our kings, our princes, our priests, nor our fathers, kept thy law, nor hearkened unto thy commandments and thy testimonies, wherewith thou didst testify against them. Neh 9:34
For they have not served thee in their kingdom, and in thy great goodness that thou gavest them, and in the large and fat land which thou gavest before them, neither turned they from their wicked works. Neh 9:35
Behold, we are servants this day, [and so are you]
and for the land that thou gavest unto our fathers to eat the fruit thereof and the good thereof,
behold, we are servants in it: Neh 9:36And it yieldeth
much increase unto the kings whom thou hast set over us
because of our sins:
also they have dominion over our bodies, and over our cattle,
at their pleasure,
and we are in great distress. Neh 9:37They have sown wheat, but shall reap thorns:
they have put themselves to pain, but shall not profit:
and they shall be ashamed of your revenues
because of the fierce anger of the Lord. Je.12:13WITH MOST OF THE BIBLE REPUDIATING THAT WHICH THE NACC WANTS TO RESTORE, WHAT WAS IT GOD ABANDONED ISREAL TO TO "WORK OUT THEIR OWN CAPTIVITY AND DEATH?"
Here is what taking money for the INSTITUTE to deprove the DESTITUTE mean and what the Musical Sowers of Discord want to steal from you. Sabbath meant REST: it limited travel so they could not attend the Canaanite rituals where sabbath WORSHIP was a product of Babylon where the "seventh" meant that God's "agents" rested while the people as "labor saving devices" created as "watchtower slaves."
BECAUSE OF musical idolatry at Mount Sinai God turned the nation over to worship the starry host. This was Sabazianism which is the same Dionysus "new wineskin" worship they brought from Egypt.
[10.3.18] Just as in all other respects the Athenians continue to be hospitable to things foreign, so also in their worship of the gods; for they welcomed so many of the foreign rites that they were ridiculed therefore by comic writers; and among these were the Thracian and Phrygian rites.
For instance, the Bendideian rites are mentioned by Plato,1 and the Phrygian by Demosthenes,2 when he casts the reproach upon Aeschines' mother and Aeschines himself that he was with her when she conducted initiations,
that he joined her in leading the Dionysiac march, and that many a time he cried out "evoe saboe," and "hyes attes, attes hyes"; for these words are in the ritual of Sabazius and the Mother.
10.3.19] Further, one might also find, in addition to these facts concerning these genii and their various names, that they were called, not only ministers of gods, but also gods themselves. For instance, Hesiod says that five daughters were born to Hecaterus and the daughter of Phoroneus, from whom sprang the mountain-ranging nymphs, goddesses, and the breed of Satyrs, creatures worthless and unfit for work, and also the Curetes, sportive gods, dancers.
Abandonment to the worship of the goyim or gentiles was condemnation to the Babylonianism and Egyptian worship out of which they came. Therefore, it comes as no surprise that the worship of the Israelite Nation was the same superstitious paganism:
"In the cultic practices, humans fulfilled their destiny: to take care of the gods' material needs. They therefore provided the gods with houses (the temples) that were richly supplied with lands, which people cultivated for them."In the temple the god was present in--but not bounded by--a statue made of precious wood overlaid with gold. For this statue the temple kitchen staff prepared daily meals from victuals grown or raised on the temple's fields, in its orchards, in its sheepfolds, cattle pens, and game preserves, brought in by its fishermen, or delivered by farmers owing it as a temple tax. The statue was also clad in costly raiment, bathed, and escorted to bed in the bedchamber of the god, often on top of the temple tower, or ziggurat.
To see to all of this the god had priests trained as cooks, bakers, waiters, and bathers, or as encomiasts (singers of praise) and musicians to make the god's meals festive, or as elegists to soothe him in times of stress and grief. This included "holy prostitutes."
IS THE NACC RIGHT THAT RELIGIOUS MUSIC WAS USED EVEN BEFORE ISRAEL?
Certainly, we are told that Lucifer the "singing and harp playing prostitute" brought it with him / her / it into the garden of Eden:
"Orpheus was the first who introduced the rites of father Liber (the wineskin god) into Greece; and he first celebrated them on a mountain of Boeotia, very near to Thebes, where Liber was born; and because this mountain continually resounded with the strains of the lyre, it was called Cithearon (lyre). Those sacred rites are even now called orphic, in which he himself was lacerated and torn in pieces." (The Divine Institutes, Ante-Nicene Fathers, VII, p. 38).
"It is fabled of Orpheus, a most celebrated musician, that such was the enchanting harmony of his lyre, that he built the city of Thebes by it: the stones and timbers danced to the melody; and by the power of his harmony rose up, and took their respective places in the different parts of the wall that was to defend the city. (Clark, II Chron 34:12)
As the Jews came to worship the bronze serpent and even the Ark of the Covenant, Israel too quickly forgot that it was God and not the music Who caused the walls of Jericho to come down:
"The OT retains vestiges of the magic use of music, which antedates most of the biblical narratives by many centuries. The collapse of Jericho's wall, after the ritual sounding of the ram's horns, is mythologically akin to the Greek legend of Amphion of Thebes, whose lyre-playing moved the stones to rebuild the broken wall. (International Dictionary of the Bible, p. 458, Abingdon). (See Homer Odyssey XI.260 ff)We think that God was removing the CANDLESTICKS of Divine knowledge just like the end time Mother of Harlots (Revelation 17) who uses singers and instrument players as SORCERERS who HAD deceived the whole world. The candles will NEVER shine in that church again (Rev. 18)
That means that YOU as a singer or musician as a Levitical Warrior dare to come into God's presence you would be INSTANTLY executed for your arrogant presumption."The LORD reigns, let the nations tremble; he sits enthroned between the cherubim, let the earth shake." - Psalm 99:1
"As Jehovah was surrounded by figures of cherubim in His Sanctuary on earth, so He is, according to Scripture, surrounded in reality by cherubim in His Court above. The function ascribed to these heavenly servants of God's Majesty is that of throne-bearers, or 'carriers', of His Divine Majesty." - J.P. Arendzen, "Cheribim", Catholic Encyclopedia
"He [Yahweh] rode upon a cherub and flew upon the wings of the wind [spirit?]." - Psalm 18:10
David Faust: God was making known His presence in a very intense and powerfful way. The people not only honored the Lord as they played instruments and sang together, but they did so with God's full and hearty approval. The Lord didn't just put up with the use of musical instruments;Lucky for Disciples of Christ they do not live on a desert island although they mostly live on a DESSERT fellowship. Those who have read the Bible and repudiated instruments prior to the Disciples and the NACC know better:
He smiled upon it, and expressed great delight and pleasure in the way His people praised Him through a combination of singing an instrumental accompaniment.
No Levite, used as Warrior Noise makers and later under the king and commanders of the army could come near the holy places of the sanctury or they would be executed. The patternism is that if a musician enters into the body of Christ as fulfilment of the Holy Place he / she / it is worthy of death. The symbols of the Holy Place define the church: only priests of God who have accepted the blood of Christ and been washed are permitted into the church. The table of bread represents the fellowship of believers so added to the church. The lampstands represents the seven spirits of Christ resting on the one Branch (Isaiah 11). The incense altar looks into the Most Holy Place. There we individually offer up the "fruit of the lips" as figured by the incense. The singers and slaughter priesthood are OUTSIDE on the far side of the sacrifice and washing.
Num 18:2 And thy brethren also of the tribe of Levi, the tribe of thy father, bring thou with thee, that they may be joined unto thee, and minister unto thee: but thou and thy sons with thee shall minister BEFORE the tabernacle of witness. [never IN]
H8334 sharath shaw-rath' A primitive root; to attend as a menial or worshipper; figuratively to contribute to:--minister (unto), (do) serve (-ant, -ice, -itor), wait on.
Their "service" is defined as "hard bondage" and music is defined as a work of human hands.Num 18:3 And they shall keep thy charge, and the charge of all the tabernacle:
only they shall not come nigh the vessels of the sanctuary and the altar,
that neither they, nor ye also, die.Contrary to being a spiritual worship service the "congregation" could not come near the instrumental noise makers: the sacrificial system had been imposed and if it were not performed it would bring down God wrath as punishment due for NOT performing what they had been abandoned to. Therefore, the instrumental sectarians personify legalism.
Num 18:6 And I, behold, I have taken your brethren the Levites from among the children of Israel:
Num 18:7 Therefore thou and thy sons with thee shall keep your priest’s office for every thing of the altar,
to you they are given as a gift for the LORD,
to do the service of the tabernacle of the congregation.
and within the veil; and ye shall serve: I have given your priest’s office unto you as a service of gift:
and the stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death.NOTHING IN THE MONARCHY WAS COMMANDED BUT WAS A CURSE.
Chrysostom is used to DEFEND the use of instrumental music contrary to all of his writings. For instance.
Do ye hear how it is most plainly declared, that God did not from the first require these at your hands? Had He required them, He would have obliged those famous saints who were before the Law to observe this practice.
`Then wherefore has He permitted it now?In condescension to your infirmity. As a physician in his treatment of a delirious patient, etc.:After the feast which they made to the demons, then it was that He permitted sacrifices: all but saying: `Ye are mad, and will needs sacrifice: well then, at any rate sacrifice to Me. 0'"-(What follows may serve to illustrate the brief remark a little further on, Kai h aixmalwsia kathgoria thj kakiaj.)
thus did God likewise. For seeing them so frantic in their lust for sacrifices, that they were ready,
unless they got them, to desert to idols: nay not only ready,
but that they had already deserted, thereupon He permitted sacrifices. And that this is the reason, is clear from the order of events."But even this, He did not permit to continue to the end, but by a most wise method, withdrew them from it ...
For He did not permit it to be done in any place of the whole world,
but in Jerusalem only. Anon, when for a short timeHad He openly said, Desist, they, such was their insane passion for sacrificing, would not readily have complied. But now perforce, the place being taken away, He secretly withdrew them from their frenzy."
they had sacrificed, he destroyed the city.
So here: "Even the captivity impeaches the wickedness (which was the cause of the permission of sacrifice.")
Jesus made sure that the temple was destroyed and most if not all of the singers and instrument players died and were burned up at Topheth just as Isaiah 30 prophesied that all "national" systems will go into hell to the BEAT of wind, string and percussion instruments.
He built His EKKLESIA which is synagoge or school of the Bible. We are given a true "sabbath" or Rest. Just as in the wilderness we REST, Read and Rehearse the Word of God in "holy Convocation." The Greek PAUO says "Stop the singing, stop the music and stop the PANic." Outlawing of SELF pleasure says stop anything which "creates mental excitement" because Jesus died to stop "spiritual anxiety created through religious ceremonial."
ALL end time churches focused on music CONFESS to using the curses of the Law of Moses to restore Babylonianism.
David Faust: Using my "desert island" principle, since I read this in my Old Testament, where I would find any evidence in the New Testament that God now frowns upon using musical 'instruments as an aid to worship?
it seems to me that there's a burden of proof on my non-instrumental friends to show where the New Testament plainly disallows something God so plainly and warmly blessed in the past.
Centuries before Jesus the sacrificial system had ended: when Judah went into captivity the symbol of God's presence left the temple and never returned. That is because the Temple was the national shrine of a nation abandoned to worship the starry host. By the time of Jesus the temple was that of Herod and is not recognized as the third Jewish temple. The people had only the synagogue as a religious institute and this was "a school of the Bible" and "never had a praise service.
The burden is on David Faust to REinstitute the sacrificial system and then the rationale was only for animal sacrifices in and around Jerusalem.
IF MAKING NOISE IN THE PRESENCE OF A HOLY SPIRIT GOD DOES NOT MOVE YOU BEYOND REDEMPTIONS (as says The Book of Enoch and Mount Sinai) then DELIBERATELY SOWING DISCORD CAUSED GOD TO HATE THE SIN AND THE SINNER.
When you blow 120 shofars all "tuned" to play the same note or ONE SOUND that is not music. When the harpists played we have Messiah in the Dead Sea Scroll version of Psalms 41 saying "The sounded my censure on the Zither." Musical sounds were always a way to tell God to "Shut your face." And HE DID and "went into exile" and put them out of His PRESENCE for ever.
The sound is bleating, crackling, cry, yell: not music. This was not PRAISE SINGING as in congregational singing but this is the Warrior's Panic Praise outlawed for the church in the wilderness.
H1984 hâlal haw-lal' A primitive root; to be clear (originally of sound, but usually of color); to shine; hence to make a show; to boast; and thus to be (clamorously) foolish; to rave; causatively to celebrate; also to stultify:—(make) boast (self), celebrate, commend, (deal, make), fool (-ish, -ly), glory, give [light], be (make, feign self) mad (against), give in marriage, [sing, be worthy of] praise, rage, renowned, shine.
Now, the musicators are legally bound to do that to instrumental music: Click AGAIN hear the MUSIC in any church moving beyond the Cross.
David Faust missed the point that this was the temple dedication animal sacrifice. This was a NATIONAL (ie pagan-like) temple and ONLY the king, clergy and a few representatives were permitted on the temple grounds. The Rest were outside the gates where Paul said we have to go if we want to find Jesus.
Now, when the loud noise with 120 shofars all tuned to the same note made a loud frightening noise the temple filled with heaviness so that the PRIESTLY FUNCTIONS were totally disabled. Not to worry, all of the others outside the camp offered their own prayers (thank you very much, mediators) AND God heard from HEAVEN. Did you note that God does not DWELL and did not enter the temple: this was a grand repudiation of the Temple and confirmation of the Tabernacle principle that God moves around with His people.
Maybe God CASTING AS PROFANE the Musical Minstrels out of his "ministry" was missed? There are numerous repudiations of instruments from Matthew to Revelation if you understand WORDS. However, Paul warned that people cannot read black text on white paper if they are UNconverted. No convert can deliberately set out to sow discord.
David Faust: 3. Messianic prophecy anticipated that musical praise would continue in the coming kingdom.Psa 126:[1] When the LORD turned again the captivity of Zion, we were like them that dream.
The Jewish people associated singing with expressions of joy and thanksgiving (Psalm 126:1-6). [Creaking, shrill sound, shout,]
Charles Dailey: On the way up you traveled from Galilee with one of the pilgrim bands that made their way to Jerusalem. You did this for fellowship and to protect yourself and your family from bands of robbers that plied their trade along the Jordan River. You sang as you walked. You sang the songs that are labeled in today's Bible the "Songs of Degrees," or the "Songs of the Ascents," because they were probably sung by the Jewish pilgrims since the times of David. These are Psalms 120 through 134.
Psa 126:[2] Then was our mouth filled with laughter, and our tongue with singing: then said they among the heathen, The LORD hath done great things for them.
Ok: but I wouldn't try this in church when Jesus invites us to REST and "come learn of me."
Rinnah h7440Psa 126:[3] The LORD hath done great things for us; whereof we are glad.
Definition:cry 12, singing 9, rejoicing 3, joy 3, gladness 1, proclamation 1, shouting 1, sing 1, songs 1, triumph 1
- ringing cry
- of entreaty, supplication
- in proclamation, joy, praise
Psa 126:[4] Turn again our captivity, O LORD, as the streams in the south.
Psa 126:[5] They that sow in tears shall reap in joy.
Psa 126:[6] He that goeth forth and weepeth, bearing precious seed, shall doubtless come again with rejoicing, bringing his sheaves with him.
Bernard Anderson writes:
All of the musical guilds had aboriginal or Canaanite names because God had TURNED THEM OVER to this worship because of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai. God through Samuel warned about the changes the kings would make and HE, God, would not rescue them because the kings would carry out the captivity and death sentence."Under the assumption that a common pattern of 'myth and ritual' prevailed in the ancient Near East, it has been argued that the enthronement psalms belonged in the cultic setting of a 'throne-ascension festival,' held every New Year, when Yahweh's kingship over Israel, the nations, and the cosmos was celebrated in song, ritual, and pagent (play)."
"In the Babylonian cult, for instance, hymns of praise had an important place. Every New Year, when the cycle of the seasons returned to its beginning, the worshipers reexperienced and reactualized the victory of the powers of life over the powers of death. The creation myth of Enuma elish depicted the victory of the god Marduk over the dragon of Chaos, Tiamet.
Not only was the myth recited, but the battle was reenacted during the festival. At the climax of the celebration worshipers joined in the acclamation, 'Marduk has become king!' This is interpreted to mean that he had reascended his throne for another year." (Anderson, p. 522).
You will remembler that David tried to AWAKEN his lyre so that he could awaken the DAWN (the mother of Lucifer?). Because the CLERGY had been abandoned to the Temple-State where the musicians were under the KING and COMMANDERS OF THE ARMY we should not be disturbed if their RITUALS are just like the nations: including Babylon from whence came Sabbath (worship as opposed to REST) and the Tithe:"The book of Psalms contain new doctrine after the Law of Moses. And after the writing of Moses, it is the second book of doctrine... (David) first gave to the Hebrews a new style of psalmody, why which he abrogates the ordinances established by Moses with respect to sacrifices,
and introduces the new hymn and a new style of jubilant praise in the worship of God;
and throughout his whole ministry he teaches very many other things that went beyond the law of Moses." (Fragment of Commentary by Hippolytus, bishop of Rome, Ante-Nicene, V, p. 170)
Comparing Psalm 87 with Psalm 68 we understood that was NOT a messianic prophecy: the damsels who led the musical procession were prostitutes as the PLAYING terms makeperfectly clear. Like all pagan temples, Jerusalem was "where the action was at" and where all of the customers showed up. Therefore, everyone knew the eternal battle to put down vile paganism."From various psalms we glean fragmentary references to the cultic activities. In an 'entrance liturgy' (Ps. 24) we read about the command of the gates of Jerusalem to lift up their heads so that Yahweh, the King of Glory (presumably enthroned invisibly on the Ark), may come in. We read about festal processions into the sanctuary, led by singers and musicians (Ps. 68:24-25; 118:27), about dancing and making melody to Yahweh (Ps. 149:3), about the blowing of trumpets and the raising of 'the festal shout' (Ps 89:15)," Anderson, Bernhard W., Understanding the Old Testament, 3rd, Prentice-Hall, p. 519).
1 Kings 15:10 And forty and one years reigned he in Jerusalem. And his mothers name was Maachah, the daughter of Abishalom.
1 Kings 15:11 And Asa did that which was right in the eyes of the Lord, as did David his father.
1 Kings 15:12 And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.
1 Kings 15:13 And also Maachah his mother, even her he removed from being queen, because she had made an idol in a grove; and Asa destroyed her idol, and burnt it by the brook Kidron.H4656 miphletseth mif-leh'-tseth From H6426 ; a terror, that is, an idol:--Idol.
Iamblichus: Following every point in its turn, we remark that the planting of "phallic images" is a special representing of the procreative power by conventional symbols, and that we regard this practice as an invocation to the generative energy of the universe. On this account many of these images are consecrated in the spring, when all the world is receiving from the gods the prolific force of the whole creation
4. The custom here described was universal in ancient times, and it is still found in parts of India. Its remains also exist in architecture and ornamentation. In the worship of the Ashera and Venus of Eryx, and of the Great Mother in Syria and Western Asia, the observances were carried to greater extremes. King Asa of Judea is said to have deposed his mother, Maacha, from royal dignity for her participation -- "because she made a phallos to an Ashera," I Kings XV: XIII. It has been generally believed that the Festivals and Initiatory, or Perfective Rites,
God promised David a FAMILY or TABERNACLE and David tried to build a HOUSE God could live in. That is why the PLAN was from Hiram the Masonic Archetect and the temple was just like all pagan temples inculding many outright idols. Nevertheless, this was a secular TYPE of what God wanted in the SPIRIT.2 Kings 23:4 And the king commanded Hilkiah the high priest, and the priests of the second order, and the keepers of the door, to bring forth out of the temple of the Lord all the vessels that were made for Baal, and for the grove, and for all the host of heaven: and he burned them without Jerusalem in the fields of Kidron, and carried the ashes of them unto Beth-el.
H3627 keliy kel-ee' instrument, jewel, that is made of, X one from another, that which pertaineth, pot, + psaltery, sack, stuff, thing, tool, vessel, ware, weapon,
2 Kings 23:5 And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven.
H4208 mazzalah maz-zaw-law' Apparently from H5140 in the sense of raining; a constellation, that is, Zodiaca sign (perhaps as affecting the weather):planet. Compare H4216 .
In fact, Jerusalem is a "city set on seven hills." It literally means "dueling mountains." God identified it with Hagar, the Law, Egypt and Sodom. Indeed, for much of the time the priesthood was probably Arabic or Kenites AND the instruments came from Egypt when Solomon spent more time on shrines for his idolatrous wives and it is reported that the HARPS came from Egypt. Why not: that was what they prayed for and that was what they God.
ZION, has always had a spiritual meaning but the people thought more of Jerusalem while in captivity than God:
Ps 87:1 His foundation is in the holy mountains.In truth, Zion was where God promised David a tabernacle, but Solomon built a HOUSE in Jerusalem which was on another one of the "seven hills." Nevertheless, people loved Jerusalem (John called it Sodom) more than than God Himself.
Ps 87:2 The LORD loveth the gates of Zion more than all the dwellings of Jacob.
Ps 87:3 Glorious things are spoken of thee, O city of God.
If you look at the whole Psalm you will see that this is a mark of God's judgment: the sang God's praise but refused to obey His commandments and therefore went into captivity and death.
In fact the musical processions may have passed through Zion on their way to the temple mount or to Solomon's Music Grove to burn infants to the sound of lound instruments.
Alfred Edersheim defining The Flute around the Temple notes:
The flute (or reed pipe) was played in the Temple on twelve special festivities.Isaiah 30 declares that Tophet (from Tambourine) once King Solomon's music grove became the model of HELL ITSELF was prepared for the king of Babylon as "Lucifer." Because Lucifer brought wind, string and percussion instruments into the garden of eden and wholly seduced Eve and is defined as "the singing and harp playing prostitute" where serpent means a Musical Enchanter, God uses wind, string and percussion instruments to DRIVE all of those who fall into musical idolatry into hell. Isaiah is addressed to all NATIONAL systems of which Israel and Juday were part:
These were: the day of killing the first, and that of killing the second Passover, the first day of unleavened bread, Pentecost, and the eight days of the Feast of Tabernacles. Quite in accordance with the social character of these feasts, the flute was also used by the festive pilgrim-bands on their journey to Jerusalem, to accompany 'the Psalms of Degrees,' or rather of 'Ascent' (Isa 30:29), sung on such occasions.
Must ye always rejoice, and go into my holy places continually, as they that keep a feast? and must ye go with a pipe, as those that rejoice into the mountain of the Lord, to the God of Israel Isaiah 30:29 LXX
"The ritual observances at the Hebrew and at a Canaanite sanctuary were so similar that to the mass of the people Jehovah worship and Baal worship were not separated by any well-marked line...NOTE THAT PSALM 87 IS ONE OF THE PARADE OR "GOING IN PROCESSION" TO JERUSALEM PSALMS.
Psalm 87 has the same meaning as Psalms 30 and Psalm 30 uses this as prophecy that God will drive them into a type of hell to the beat of wind, string and percussion instruments.
"Many of the Psalms are expressive of the parade dance, or dance procession, in a way which show it to have been the characteristic form of the festival (Psalms 30:12, 87:7, 149:3, 150:4; Is. 30:29) and that this was where many of the Psalms were used." ( W. O. E. Osterley, The Sacred Dance (Cambridge: N. P., 1923), p. 94)
ISAIAH 30: DOES THE NACC WANT TO USE THIS TO PROMOTE INSTRUMENTAL SECTARIANISM?
David Faust and other seekers to subvert peaceable non-instrumental churches use Hezekiah's Animal Sacrifice "contract" with God as proof that God Commanded Instrumental praise and in the words of Rick Atchley, we should not be disobediend. However, the picture below defines the INSTRUMENTAL worship carried on BEFORE and AFTER Hezekiah where son Manasseh picked up the idolatrous worship Hezekiah momentarily removed from the temple and afterward went throughthe city to shut down the idolatrous Shrines.Peter Lange writes of Isaiah 30: "But the skeleton comes alive and does an ecstatic dance of death in one of Isaiah's greatest poems, a religious song meant to accompany a human sacrifice at the Jerusalem Tophet. Isaiah began preaching in Judah at almost the exact time that the first sacrificial urns were planted in the Carthaginian Tophet.
"What's amazing about Isaiah's song is its explicit ritual content, and the undeniable authorship of Yahweh in the torture and immolation of the Assyrian victim, who is probably the great Assyrian conquerer Sennacherib. The Assyrians were threatening the existence of Judah during Isaiah's lifetime, and they succeeded in annihilating the northern kingdom of Samaria (Israel proper). These verses served as the centerpiece of Paul Mosca's Ph.D. thesis at Harvard in 1975, Child; Sacrifice in Israelite and Canaanite Religion."
This is the Molech of which Amos speaks so that no Bible student could say that "they just had a bad mental attitude."
Isaiah proves that if you "worship" God with this instrumental noise, God will use the SAME instruments to "drum" you into Topheth or "hell."
and the Lord shall make his glorious voice to be heard and the wrath of his arm, to make a display with wrath and anger and devouring flame: he shall lighten terribly, and his wrath shall be as water and violent hail. Isaiah 30:30 LXX
For by the voice of the Lord the Assyrians shall be overcome, even by the stroke where with he shall smite them. Isaiah 30:31 LXX
And it shall happen to him from every side, that they from whom their hope of assistance was, in which he trusted, themselves shall war against him in turn with drums and with harp. Isaiah 30:32 LXX
For thou shalt be required before thy time: has it been prepared for thee also to reign? nay, God has prepared for thee a deep trench, wood piled fire and much wood: the wrath of the Lord shall be as a trench kindled with sulphur. Isaiah 30:33 LXX
For Tophet is ordained of old; yea, for the king it is prepared; he hath made it deep and large: the pile thereof is fire and much wood;
the breath (divine inspiration, spirit) of the Lord, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it. 30:33KJVAnd it shall come to pass in that day that the Lord shall give thee rest from thy sorrow and vexation, and from thy hard serviture wherein thou didst serve them. Isaiah 14:3LXX
And thou shalt take up this lamentation against the king of Babylon, How has the extortioner ceased, and the taskmaster ceased Isaiah 14:4 LXX
All your pomp has been brought down to the grave (Sheol or hell), along with the noise of your harps; maggots are spread out beneath you and worms cover you. Isaiah 14:11NIV
How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! Isaiah 14:12
You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. Isaiah 14:13
CLICK TO READ ISAIAH 30 WHICH PROVES THAT MUSIC IS THE MARK OF GOD REPAYING HIS ENEMIES.
David Faust: So it's not a surprise to read in Psalm 87 how God's people will respond with music when the Lord establishes His messianic kingdom (Psalm 87:5-7). Psalm 87 talks about God's love for Mount Zion. It fore- tells how one day Gentiles would flock into the kingdom of God.
Let's repeat: "Many of the Psalms are expressive of the parade dance, or dance procession, in a way which show it to have been the characteristic form of the festival (Psalms 30:12, 87:7, 149:3, 150:4; Is. 30:29) and that this was where many of the Psalms were used." (W. O. E. Osterley, The Sacred Dance (Cambridge: N. P., 1923), p. 94)
Zion speaks of Judah and Jacob speaks of the nation of Israel.
HIS foundation is in the holy mountains. Psalm 87:1
The Lord loveth the gates of Zion more than all the dwellings of Jacob. Psalm 87: 2Glorious things are spoken of thee, O city of God. Selah. Psalm 87: 3Zion is a spiritual mountain and not JERUSALEM called SODOM:
Neither Jerusalem nor the Temple had fallen: the Tabernacle on Zion where David placed the Ark of the Covenant as a symbol of the presence of God, His Word and His Grace had been "taken captive" and the LOUD NOISE never called music invited God to REMOVE His presence, Word and Grace from them. The church as the Tabernacle would have simple singers but NO instruments."You Israelites are just like the Ethiopians in my sight," says the Lord. "Certainly I brought Israel up from the land of Egypt, but I also brought the Philistines from Caphtor and the Arameans from Kir. Amos 9:7
Amos 9:11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:
"From various psalms we glean fragmentary references to the cultic activities. In an 'entrance liturgy' (Ps. 24) we read about the command of the gates of Jerusalem to lift up their heads so that Yahweh, the King of Glory (presumably enthroned invisibly on the Ark), may come in. We read about festal processions into the sanctuary, led by singers and musicians (Ps. 68:24-25; 118:27), about dancing and making melody to Yahweh (Ps. 149:3), about the blowing of trumpets and the raising of 'the festal shout' (Ps 89:15)," Anderson, Bernhard W., Understanding the Old Testament, 3rd, Prentice-Hall, p. 519).
All of this is the DARK SIDE of national Israel from which the masses were quarantined by attendance in the synagogue as a "school of the Bible." The Spirit of CHRIST radically repudiated this because it was the result of being "turned over to worship the starry host."
David Faust: There's even a hymn based on verse 3: "Glorious Things of The Are Spoken. " Verses 3. 5. 6. In light of the New Testament, we know this Psalm is talking about the messianic kingdom-the new covenant people.
Hebrews 12:22 says, "But you have come to Mount Zion, to the heavenly Jerusalem, the city of the living God' In the Kng James Version,
Psalm 87:7 predicts that in the messianic kingdom, "the singers as well as the players on instruments shall be there"
The instrumentalists seem anxious to become dead virgins so they can make SOUNDS LIKE harps in Revelation. However, the message to the LIVING is to "preach the gospel." You cannot preach the gospel singing and playing for your own pleasure.
How Scripture disproves it:
The Temple was not on Zion but Mount Moriah. The symbol was "God hath provided." The ultimate rejection of Grace was the Israelites thinking THEY had to provide for God. The earthly Jerusalem is called Sodom by John in Revelation. We are not come to an earthly kingdom:
Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God,
the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Because the literal is unfit: And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city,
which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. Revelation 11:8
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn,
which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all,
and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant,
and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel
Hebrews 13 DENIES that we do musical worship on literal Mount Zion
Heb 13:13 Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp,
bearing his reproach. [seduced nakedness]
Heb 13:14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
Heb 13:15 By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise [thank offering] to God continually,
that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.
God supplies that AFTER the sorcerers are silenced:Isa 57:1 THE righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart:
and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.Isa 57:2 He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness.
Isa 57:3 But draw near hither, ye sons of the sorceress, the seed of the adulterer and the whore.
Soothsayers: Anan (h6049) aw-nan'; a prim. root; to cover; used only as denom. from 6051, to cloud over; fig. to act covertly, i. e. practise magic: - * bring, enchanter, Meonemin, observe (-r of) times, soothsayer, sorcerer.
Manteuomai (g3132) mant-yoo'-om-ahee; from a der. of 3105 (mean. a prophet, as supposed to rave through inspiration); to divine, i.e. utter spells under pretence of foretelling: - by soothsaying.
Isa 57:4 Against whom do ye SPORT yourselves? against whom make ye a wide mouth,
and draw out the tongue? are ye not children of transgression, a seed of falsehood,
Sport:
Anag (h6026) aw-nag'; a prim. root; to be soft or pliable, i. e. (fig.) effeminate or luxurious: - delicate (-ness), (have) delight (self), sport self.Isa 57:15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy;
I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit,
to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.Isa 57:16 For I will not contend for ever, neither will I be always wroth:
for the spirit should fail before me, and the souls which I have made.Isa 57:17 For the iniquity of his covetousness was I wroth, and smote him: I hid me, and was wroth,
and he went on frowardly in the way of his heart.Prophetic:
Isa 57:18 I have seen his ways, and will heal him:
I will lead him also, and restore comforts unto him and to his mourners.Isa 57:19 I create the fruit of the lips;
Peace, peace to him that is far off, and to him that is near, saith the Lord; and I will heal him.Heb 13:14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
Heb 13:15 By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice to God continually,
that is, the fruit of our lips
giving thanks to his name.Ecclesiastes 47 notes:
7. For he wiped out his enemies on every side,
........... and annihilated his adversaries the Philistines;
........... he crushed their power even to this day.8. In all that he did he gave thanks to the Holy One, the Most High, with ascriptions of glory;
........... he sang praise with all his heart, and he loved his Maker.9. He placed singers before the altar,
........... to make sweet melody with their voices.
Isa 57:20 But the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt.
Heb 13:10 We have an altar,
.........whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.
Hos 14:1 O Israel, return unto the LORD thy God; for thou hast fallen by thine iniquity.
Hos 14:2 Take with you words, and
turn to the LORD:
say unto him, Take away all iniquity,
and receive us graciously:
so will we render the calves of our lips.Turn is converted parallel to baptism
Epi-strephô return to the source of Being, earlier, children
Call upon the name of the lord
Forgive our sins
the "New Style Prophesied worship."
Heb 13:14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
Heb 13:15 By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice to God continually,
that is, the fruit of our lips
giving thanks to his name.
Missed the point: SPEAK in the resources is defined as the OPPOSITE of poetry and music. Certainly, Newton never had contemporary, complex harmony in mind when singing was more like speaking. You will find Jesus totally repudiating music in all forms and there is no HINT in the New Testament, direct commands or church history to show that ANYONE every thought that this prophesied music in the "ekklesia" when it was always outlawed in the "synagogue" beginning a the church in the wilderness.
Glorious things of thee are spoken,
Zion, city of our God!
He, Whose Word cannot be broken,
Formed thee for His own abode.
On the Rock of Ages founded,
What can shake thy sure repose?
With salvation’s walls surrounded,
Thou may’st smile at all thy foes.
Haydn originally adapted “Austria” for a patriotic song, “Gott, erhalte Franz, den Kaiser,” first performed for the emperor’s birthday, February 12, 1797. It is still used as the tune of the German song Das Deutschlandlied. Because of the associations the first stanza (“Deutschland, Deutschland über alles…”) developed with the Nazis, the third stanza (“Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit/Für das Deutsche Vaterland”) is the one now used for the German national anthem. h
THE SINGERS SOWED DISCORD BETWEEN DAVID AND SAUL: 1 Sam 18:6
If we leap to the singing as whirling then here is the meaning:As well the singers as the players on instruments shall be there: all my springs (source of satisfaction) are in thee. Psalm 87: 7
Identical to Psalm 68 it is the damsels or women who paraded around the Temple area where they had no right to be. It was certain that it created great pleasure for the clergy.
H7891 sheer, shoor The second form being the original form, used in (1 Sam. 18:6); a primitive root (rather identical with H7788 through the idea of strolling minstrelsy); to sing:--behold [by mistake for H7789 ], sing (-er, -ing man, -ing woman)
H7788 shoor A primitive root; properly to turn, that is, travel about (as a harlot or a merchant):--go, sing. See also H7891When thes musical minstrels (always women) tried to assist Jesus in healing the young girl He CAST them out "like dung." That would have been a wonderful time for him to CONFIRM that music was prophesied.
the command of the gates of Jerusalem to lift up their heads so that Yahweh, the King of Glory (presumably enthroned invisibly on the Ark), may come in. We read about festal processions into the sanctuary, led by singers and musicians (Ps. 68:24-25; 118:27), about dancing and making melody to Yahweh (Ps. 149:3), about the blowing of trumpets and the raising of 'the festal shout' (Ps 89:15)," Anderson, Bernhard W., Understanding the Old Testament, 3rd, Prentice-Hall, p. 519).
We again note that NO singer or musician entered into the Holy Places on the penalty of death. We have noted that they could not COME NEAR them. Even in the court the "civilians" could not come near the rituals.
Players is the Hebrew: Chalal (h2490) khaw-lal'; a prim. root [comp. 2470]; prop. to bore, i. e. (by impl.) to wound, to dissolve; fig. to profane (a person, place or thing), to break (one's word), to begin (as if by an "opening wedge"); denom. (from 2485) to play (the flute): - begin (* men began), defile, * break, defile, * eat (as common things), * first, * gather the grape thereof, * take inheritance, pipe, player on instruments, pollute, (cast as) profane (self), prostitute, slay (slain), sorrow, stain, wound.
Chalah (h2470) khaw-law'; a prim. root [comp. 2342, 2470, 2490]; prop. to be rubbed or worn; hence (fig.) to be weak, sick, afflicted; or (causat.) to grieve, make sick; also to stroke (in flattering), entreat: - beseech, (be) diseased, (put to) grief, be grieved, (be) grievous, infirmity, intreat, lay to, put to pain, * pray, make prayer, be (fall, make) sick, sore, be sorry, make suit (* supplication), woman in travail, be (become) weak, be wounded.
Psalm 68 is a parallel which speaks of the prostitute singers (who brought joy) and PLAYERS. The same word for SINGERS is used in both places. However, there are two words used for the PLAYERS shoing that they mean THE SAME THING
The singers went before, the players on instruments followed after; among them were the damsels playing with timbrels. Psalm 68:25
Players in this verse in Hebrew: Nagan (h5059) naw-gan'; a prim. root; prop. to thrum, i. e. beat a tune with the fingers; espec. to play on a stringed instrument; hence (gen.) to make music: - player on instruments, sing to the stringed instruments, melody, ministrel, play (-er, -ing..
Naga (h5060) naw-gah'; a prim. root; prop. to touch, i. e. lay the hand upon (for any purpose; euphem., to lie with a woman); by impl. to reach (fig. to arrive, acquire); violently, to strike (punish, defeat, destroy, etc.): - beat, (* be able to) bring (down), cast, come (nigh), draw near (nigh), get up, happen, join, near, plague, reach (up), smite, strike, touch.
David Faust: if I were alone on my "desert island," Psalm 87:7 would imply to me that instrumental music is not only permissible but to be expected in the Messianic kingdom-that is, assuming the Bible I happen to have on that desert island is the King James Version!Yes, most religionists still have trouble with the nature of the kingdom! The "civilians" never once in the Bible ever sang congregationally with instrumental accompaniment. The Levitical Warrior Singers served the king and commanders of the army. That was at the unwanted temple as the Civil-Clergy complex like all nations. If you were not of Levi and NOT on assignment making war or slaughtering animals or going in procession to burn infants YOU would not be permitted to either sing or play in a religious sense.
The Jewish people sometimes had some trouble understanding Messianic prophecies about the nature of God's kingdom, but this one shouldn't have given them any trouble. They were used to the idea that God could be praised with musical instruments. The force of this is pretty strong, unless you deny the messianic implications of Psalm 87.
Jesus warned of anyone who wanted to locate the kingdom "out there" or "over here" where we have the best preacher and the loudest music: he said "the kingdom of God is WITHIN you." That is why the sinful woman understood that worship is not in her PLACE or in ZION but worship is in the PLACE of the human spirit devoted solely to the Word.David Faust: The New International version says it differently. It translates Psalm 87:7, "As they make music they will sing . ... it doesn't use the word "instruments," but it still distinguishes between "making music" and "singing. " I checked with one of our Hebrew scholars at CCU,We have noted the actual meaning above:
who informed me that the word the King James uses for players on instruments'
actually means "to whirl, dance, or writhe. "
Players is the Hebrew: Chalal (h2490) khaw-lal'; a prim. root [comp. 2470]; prop. to bore, i. e. (by impl.) to wound, to dissolve; fig. to profane (a person, place or thing), to break (one's word), to begin (as if by an "opening wedge"); denom. (from 2485) to play (the flute): - begin (* men began), defile, * break, defile, * eat (as common things), * first, * gather the grape thereof, * take inheritance, pipe, player on instruments, pollute, (cast as) profane (self), prostitute, slay (slain), sorrow, stain, wound.
The same meaning is:
Players in this verse in Hebrew: Nagan (h5059) naw-gan'; a prim. root; prop. to thrum, i. e. beat a tune with the fingers; espec. to play on a stringed instrument; hence (gen.) to make music: - player on instruments, sing to the stringed instruments, melody, ministrel, play (-er, -ing..
And the play of DavidNaga (h5060) naw-gah'; a prim. root; prop. to touch, i. e. lay the hand upon (for any purpose; euphem., to lie with a woman); by impl. to reach (fig. to arrive, acquire); violently, to strike (punish, defeat, destroy, etc.): - beat, (* be able to) bring (down), cast, come (nigh), draw near (nigh), get up, happen, join, near, plague, reach (up), smite, strike, touch.
The word PLAY was confessed by David to MAKE SELF VILE and he did it to be honored by the CAMP FOLLOWER GIRLS:
lu-do to sport, to play on an instrument of music, to make or compose music or song:
C. Ludere aliquem or aliquid, to play, mock, imitate, to imitate work, make believe work, [PARASITES]2 Peter 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
Truphaô , ( [truphê] ) A. live softly, luxuriously, fare sumptuously, paison, paison
paizô [pais]. to play (on an instrument), to sport, play, jest, joke, to make sport of one, mock him,
B. To sport, dally, wanton (cf. "amorous play,"
Ov. A. A. 2, 389 Ovid's Art of Love: Book IIIt is true that to sing and play included almost by definition dancing. Therefore, you cannot make MUSIC without moving the body together. That is why there is NO MUSIC word used in connection with the Spiritual worship of God.
Here is the approved pattern of David!
But, the point is that this has nothing to do with the church or instrumental music. You have to go to the next word to fins SHIYR used with but NOT MEANING to play an instrument. Then you have the musical ladies who were always prostitutes out to meet the warriors who had pledge celebacy until victory. IF you are going to use this to mean INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC then you are caught up with the SINGERS AND PLAYERS who are clearly identified as PROSTITUTES: that was why the Psalmist's JOY was in Jerusalem which is identified by John as SODOM. Whirling, dancing and writhing was what David did when he "made himself vile" (that praise word) and WENT NAKED: not to worry, Michal, he would become more vile and be honored by the camp followers."The trained musicians which eventually appear around the time of David and Solomon mark a distinctive change in the history of Jewish music. Before this time much of the music was made by women." (Zondervan Pict., Music p. 313).
"Before the establishment of the kingdom under Saul, it was the women who, as in every young civilization, played a major part in the performance of music. Such figures as Miriam, Deborah, Jephtha's daughter, and the women hailing the young hero David have become almost archetypes of female musicians. Characteristic of all these cases is the familiar picture of a female chorus, dancing and singing, accompanied by frenzied drum-beating. This is the scene known to the entire Near East, and not even the severe rule of Islam could wholly suppress this age-old practice." (Int Dict of the Bible, Music, p. 457).
Paul speaks of Mount Sinai when the people REFUSED to hear the voice of god. They went on to rise up in PLAY or perverted Musical Idolatry. God will shake the world again and WE had better be reverent and listening and NOT engaged in musical self-idolatry. The MARK if you want to use it to SOW DISCORD is what they tried to INDUCE into Jesus whom they hoped was Dionysus:
Choreia,
A. dance, esp. choral dance with music chorous choreias tôi Dionusôi [new wineskins god]
2. of any circling motion, as of the stars planêtôn te kai aplanôn choreiais [Wandering Stars]
Choros performed round the altar of Dionysus, 2. from the Dionysiac Chorus arose the Attic Drama, which consisted at first of tales inserted in the intervals of the Dance (epeisodia ), II. a chorus, choir, i. e. a band of dancers and singer
Jude speaks of Enoch to define the "wandering stars" who seduced mankind using mixed-sex choirs, musical instruments, jewelry, putting on of apparel and other seductive things. Once the holy Sethites fell away from the Living Word they could never recover. They knew that they were doomed for burning but gain some comfort in trying to seduce many others to fall. Perhaps that is why there is an irrational lust by the instrumentalists to force others to CONFORM or CONFIRM.
It is a fact that the MUSIC word not used of the church ever, DEMANDS dancing.
- E.Ba. 866 Euripides, Bacchae .... Our Annotated and linked Text
- Chorus Shall I move my white foot in the night-long dance, aroused to a frenzy, [865] throwing my head to the dewy air, like a fawn sporting in the green pleasures of the meadow, when it has escaped a fearful chase beyond the watchers [870] over the well-woven nets, and the hunter hastens his dogs [Catamites] on their course with his call, while she, with great exertion and a storm-swift running, rushes along the plain by the river, rejoicing [875] in the solitude apart from men and in the thickets of the shady-foliaged woods.
- What is wisdom? Or what greater honor do the gods give to mortals than to hold one's hand [880] in strength over the head of enemies? What is good is always dear.
- Empaiktês , ou, ho, A. mocker, deceiver, LXX Is.3.4, 2 Ep.Pet.3.3, Ep.Jud. 18.
- Ar.Th.975 Aristophanes, Thesmophoriazusae
- Chorus [966] but since we want something fresh, we are going through the rhythmic steps of the round dance for the first time.
- Chorus Start off [970] while you sing to the god of the lyre and to the chaste goddess armed with the bow. Hail! thou god who flingest thy darts so far, grant us the victory! The homage of our song is also due to Here, the goddess of marriage, [975] who interests herself in every chorus and guards the approach to the nuptial couch.
Chorus I also pray Hermes, the god of the shepherds, and Pan and the beloved Graces to bestow a benevolent smile [980] upon our songs. Let us lead off anew, let us double our zeal during our solemn days, and especially let us observe a close fast
- Empaigma , atos, to, jest, mocking, delusion, LXX Is.66.4; magikês empaigmata technês [cunning, craftsman]
For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the Lord: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word. Isa 66:2
He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dogs neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swines blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. Isa 66:3
Isa 66:4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.
Taaluwwl (h8586) tah-al-ool'; from 5953; caprice (as a fit coming on), i. e. vexation; concr. a tyrant: - babe, delusion.
- And I will give children (including females) to be their princes, and babes (tyrants) shall rule over them. Is.3:4
Isa 66:15 For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
David Faust: But again, I figure were on common ground here because most of us in the Christian churches aren't big on "whirling, dancing, or writhing" in public worship assemblies either.
I believe that all of the NACC operatives who sow discord under the banner of "unity" are OBLIGATED to do in church exactly what they teach or be condemned.
But, David was big: said he made himself Vile but would be honored by the camp follower slave girls. If David Faust is correct about Psalms 87 then he is COMMANDED to do the whirling dance in the "worship services." This was the whirling dervish dance which imitated a cow slinging out a calf or the whirling planets or stars which David's kingdom worshipped. If Psalm 87 is prophetic of the kingdom then I find it strange that dancing is not demanded. After all the word MUSIC in the ancient world DEMANDED dancing or moving togethe
2 Sam 6:5 And David and all the house of Israel PLAYED before the Lord
on all manner of instruments made of fir wood,
even on harps, and on psalteries, and on timbrels,
and on cornets, and on cymbals.The word PLAY was confessed by David to MAKE SELF VILE and he did it to be honored by the CAMP FOLLOWER GIRLS:
lu-do to sport, to play on an instrument of music, to make or compose music or song:
C. Ludere aliquem or aliquid, to play, mock, imitate, to imitate work, make believe work, [PARASITES]2 Peter 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
Truphaô , ( [truphê] ) A. live softly, luxuriously, fare sumptuously, paison, paison
paizô [pais]. to play (on an instrument), to sport, play, jest, joke, to make sport of one, mock him,
B. To sport, dally, wanton (cf. "amorous play,"
Ov. A. A. 2, 389 Ovid's Art of Love: Book IIOr when she combs or when she curls her hair,
Commend her curious art and gallant air.
Singing, her voice, dancing, her steps, admire;
Applaud when she desists, and still desire.Let all her words and actions wonder raise;
View her with raptures, and with raptures praise
Fierce as Medusa though your mistress prove,
These arts will teach the stubborn beauty love.Be cautious lest you overact your part,
And temper your HYPOCRISY with ART;
Let no false action give your words the lie,
For once deceiv'd, she's ever after shy.
David was wearing the Ephod which was a feminine garment for the priesthood which was like ALL national priesthoods and NOT an approved PATTERNISM. No one doubts that he WENT NAKED. Other words define the naked PLAY:
Jesus consigned the "pipers, singers and dancers" to the Agora or marketplace. This was the ONLY arena for singing, dancing, playing instruments, eating of meats, drinking of wine, offering sacrifices, buying human bodies and radishes. The PSALLO rope has the second major meaning as a polluted cord which plucked those who tarried and refused to go to the ekklesia for verbal instruction only. They would be MARKED as polluted.Nu-do I. to make naked or bare; to strip, bare, lay bare, expose to view, uncover (syn.: exuo, detego, revelo).
Scurra , ae, m. 1. A city buffoon, droll, jester (usually in the suite of wealthy persons, and accordingly a kind of parasite; syn.: -Of the clown in a pantomime, Juv. 13, sannio, parasitus)
Sannio , I. one who makes mimicking grimaces, a buffoonII. In partic., in a bad sense, one who, by flattery and buffoonery, manages to live at another's expense, a sponger, toad-eater, parasite
Parasi-tus , i, m., = parasitos, lit. one who eats with another; hence,
parasitus Phoebi, a player, actor [For APOLLO or Apollyon and his MUSES]
THE CROOKED GENERATION JESUS CAME TO SAVE US FROM
Again, David Faust: Using my "desert island" principle, since I read this in my Old Testament, where I would find any evidence in the New Testament that God now frowns upon using musical 'instruments as an aid to worship? it seems to me that there's a burden of proof on my non-instrumental friends to show where the New Testament plainly disallows something God so plainly and warmly blessed in the past.
- In fact, based on facts, God would have had to violate all of the Old Testament and proven Himself carnal and able to be pleased and tickled and forced to COMMAND any kind of music. He would also have had to prove Himself the Mother Goddess because you didn't worship masculine gods with feminine and effeminate music.
- It is clearly stated that the Law was given because of transgression. God abandoned them to worship the starry host (Acts 7) because of their musical idolatry at Mount Sinai. Therefore, all of the "proof texts" are dredged up from the sacrificial system which God imposed but did not need nor want. We have shown throughout that the "civilians" were not permitted into this "quarantined" system. We have quoted Nehemiah to prove that the clergy was imposed and cursed and fleeced them because of their sin. If anyone wants to fleece you then I have just the people for you.
- The sacrificial system effectively ended when the death and captivity penalty was carried out and a tiny remnant returned to Jerusalem.
- The Jews had been cured of the CURSE of animal sacrifices and the synagogue as the church in the wilderness and always the ONLY worship place for the people was the only thing leff to give attention to the Word of God.
- The Jerusalem temple and the priesthood was still afflicted with Zeus-Dionysus worship in the temple. They would undersand true "musical" performance to be avoided. This was part of the Abomination of Desolation. The priestly class were "hired hand" and the temple was HEROD'S temple used to appease the Jews. The priesthood were so utterly perverted that Jesus spoke to them only in parables to prevent them from knowing what was happenig. I find it astounding that the "rise" of the new style music which began to be pushed with the Restoration Forums there was an obcession with creating GYMNASIA!
in Jerusalem, which “attracted the noblest young men of Israel...subduing them under the petaso” (2 Macc. 4:12). In the traditional Latin translation the above phrase is rendered “to put in brothels” (Riley:15). The gymnasia were notorious throughout the ancient world for their association with homosexual practices. In fact, Flaceliere concludes from Plutarch’s writings that from the beginning of its acceptance in Greece, “the development of homosexuality was connected to the rise of gymnasia...[which usually contained] not only a statue or Hermes, but also one of Eros” (Flaceliere:65).The 'Jews' at the time of Jesus were probably Cainites, Kenites or Arabs. Most of the Israelites had fled when as part of the Abomination of Desolation the men were required to "wear the hat of hermes." That is, they were initiated into cult of the false "logos" which meant sodomy. That is why the weaping or woes accompanied the dance when that generation PIPED. Wine, women and music went directly into the Temple holy places. First Maccabees defines the Abomination of Desolation which involved Zeus and Dionysus worship. All priesthoods were homosexual.
They claim they are Jews #2453 Ioudas - Judas; in Hebrew 3063 - Yehudah - a descendant of Judah. The paid their way into the Herodian ruling class. The Saducean priesthood during the first century were not of Aaron but consisted of four families: Boethus, Hanan, Kimchit, and Phiabi. They intermarried with the Herodians, the Royal Rulers of the State of Israel, who were, themselves Edomites (Idumeans) from the Petra region (or Edom) and descendants of Esau (or Seir, which means "shaggy, he-goat, devil"), thus the "synagogue of Satan" leaders claimed to be Jews but were Edomites appointed by the Herodian rulers under Rome; Herod Antipas, for instance, and Pontius Pilate held the same governmental position for Rome, the reason for much rivalry between them); since Esau was "red and hairy" his nickname was Edom, and he lived in Seir where Ham's descendants settled.
Unless Stephen was lying on his "death bed" then that which the NACC wants to impose was that of Dionysus and others which they brought with them out of Egypt. If they were SENTENCED to worship the starry host then don't be surprised that Plutarch and others agrees.Plutarch: what god is worshipped by the Jews: When all the company requested and earnestly begged it of him; first of all (says he), the time and manner of the greatest and most holy solemnity of the Jews is exactly agreeable to the holy rites of Bacchus; for that which they call the Fast they celebrate in the midst of the vintage, furnishing their tables with all sorts of fruits while they sit under tabernacles made of vines and ivy; and the day which immediately goes before this they call the day of Tabernacles.
Within a few days after they celebrate another feast, not darkly but openly, dedicated to Bacchus, for they have a feast amongst them called Kradephoria, from carrying palm-trees, and Thyrsophoria, when they enter into the temple carrying thyrsi.
What they do within I know not; but it is very probable that they perform the rites of Bacchus. First they have little trumpets, such as the Grecians used to have at their Bacchanalia to call upon their gods withal.
Others go before them playing upon harps, which they call Levites, whether so named from Lusius or Evius,--either word agrees with Bacchus.
And I suppose that their Sabbaths have some relation to Bacchus; for even now many call the Bacchi by the name of Sabbi, and they make use of that word at the celebration of Bacchus's orgies.
And this may be discovered out of Demosthenes and Menander. Nor would it be out of place, were any one to say that the name Sabbath was given to this feast from the agitation and excitement [Greek omitted] which the priests of Bacchus display.
So in the nocturnal ceremonies of Bacchus (as the fashion is amongst us), they make use of music, and call the god's nurses [Greek omitted].
High up on the wall of their temple is a representation of the thyrsus and timbrels, which surely suits no other god than Bacchus.
John refused to baptize the "generation of vipers" and promised them a baptism of spirit and fire: the spirit OF fire and burning. Jesus used parables to HIDE the truth from those who had lived by perverting the knowledge of God (Isa 48). Peter said save yourselves from this CROOKED generation.
When Israel ROSE UP TO PLAY at Mount Sinai it was the MUSICAL IDOLATRY of the Egyptian TRIAD. The symbol of Osiris was the APIS bull and that of Isis the Hathor Cow. Miriam would have automatically been a PROPHETESS of Hathor. She WAS punished for presuming to be a prophetess in the sense of SPEAKING FOR GOD. All rejections of God's Word was CROOKED:
Deut 32:5 THEY have CORRUPTED themselves, their SPOT (blemish )is not the spot of HIS CHILDREN: they are a PERVERSE (distorted, false) and CROOKED (a twisted vine) generation.
Deut 32:6 Do ye thus requite (repay) the Lord, O FOOLISH people and unwise? is not he thy father that hath bought thee? hath he not made thee, and established thee?
Foolish is the Hebrew:
Nabal (h5036) naw-bawl'; from 5034; STUPID; wicked (espec. impious): - fool (-ish, -ish man, -ish woman), VILE person.
Nebel (h5035) neh'-bel; or nebel nay'-bel; from 5034; a SKIN- BAG for liquids (from COLLAPSING when EMPTY); hence a vase (as similar in shape when full); also a LYRE (as having a body of like form): - bottle, pitcher, PSALTERY, vessel, VIOL
The crooked men were devoted to skolion singing in the symposia where perverted males met with harppluckers and flute-girls (synonym for prostitute)
Skolios MEANING: ithunei skolion makes the crooked one straight, Hes.Op.7; s. kai phoberos
Hes.Op.7; Hesoid Works and Days: (ll. 1-10) Muses of Pieria who give glory through song, come hither, tell of Zeus your father and chant his praise. Throug him mortal men are famed or un-famed, sung or unsung alike, as great Zeus wills. For easily he makes strong, and easily he brings the strong man low; easily he humbles the proud and raises the obscure, and easily he straightens the crooked and blasts the proud, -- Zeus who thunders aloft and has his dwelling most high.Attend thou with eye and ear, and make judgements straight with righteousness. And I, Perses, would tell of true things.
(ll. 11-24) So, after all, there was not one kind of Strife alone, but all over the earth there are two. As for the one, a man would praise her when he came to understand her; but the other is blameworthy: and they are wholly different in nature.
For one fosters evil war and battle, being cruel: her no man loves; but perforce, through the will of the deathless gods
Phoberos, I. Act., causing fear, terrible. Phobos personified as son of Ares, Apollo or Apollyon
Klazo 1. of birds, scream, 2. of dogs, bark, bay, 3. of things, as of arrows in the quiver, clash, rattle
things which are fearful to the multitude 3. Rhet., of style, impressive, awe-inspiring, Pomp.3 ; Homêros paizôn 2.caused by fear, troubled, panic, anxious thoughts phobos b. with Verbs, , Klazo
eklage salpinx [war trumpet]. . aoidan; [song, spell, incantation] of the sea, roar, of the musician, kitharai klazeis paianas [title of Apollo, Apollon, healer, saviour, choral song] melpôn [the melody word ] of Pan on his pipes, h.Pan.14; klazeis melisma luras (of the tettix LOCUSTS)
Strabo aTRUE GEOGRAPHER: Proving that all music is LEGALISTIC WORK
[10.3.16] Also resembling these rites are the Cotytian and the Bendideian rites practiced among the Thracians,
among whom the Orphic rites had their beginning. Now the Cotys who is worshipped among the Edonians,
and also the instruments used in her rites, are mentioned by Aeschylus; for he says,O adorable Cotys among the Edonians, and ye who hold mountain-ranging instruments;
And he mentions immediately afterwards the attendants of Dionysus: one, holding in his hands the bombyces (reed flute),
toilsome work of the turner's chisel, fills full the fingered melody, the call that brings on frenzy,"and again,
while another causes to resound the bronze-bound cotylae. (cupped cymbals or vases)
stringed [psalmos or twitched] instruments raise their shrill cry, [Alalazo: rais the war-cry]
and frightful mimickers from some place unseen bellow like bulls,
and the semblance of drums, as of subterranean thunder, rolls along, a terrifying sound.Alalazo 2. generally, cry, shout aloud, Pi.l.c., E.El.855; esp. in orgiastic rites, A.Fr.57; of Bacchus and Bacchae, E.Ba.593 sound loudly, psalmos d'alalazei A.Fr.57 ; kumbalon alalazon1 Ep.Cor.13.1
That is why people who boast about INFILTRATING and DIVERTING intend to SOW DISCORD and MAKE WAR against God's people. However, JESUS gets the last TOSS, wrasslers!
Mark 5:38 where Jesus cast out the Musical Minsters like dung just as He assigned the Pipers who tried to force this LAMENTING SINGING and DANCING to the Agora where all of the perverted worship took place. In Euripides in the Bacchae which defines the NEW WINESKIN worship as prophesied in Revelation 17-18.
These people plagued places like corinth? How is it that there is no condemnation of music invented by Apollyon?
If Jesus exampled and Paul commanded the word SPEAK for the ekklesia. And SPEAK is defined as the OPPOSITE of poetry or Music. Then, why is this not a law against music.While women were famed for their wildness in the Bacchic cult and in certain other mystery cults, other aspects of their worship were more traditional. Of special importance to the study of the situation Paul addresses is the concept of clamor, noisy outbursts of religious pandemonium.
Strabo (first century) explains how popular writers describe the phenomenon Paul defined as "madness" in CorinthThey represent them, one and all, as a kind of inspired people and as subject to Bacchic frenzy, and, in the guise of minister, as inspiring terror at the celebration of the sacred rites by means of war-dances accompanied by uproar and noise and cymbals and drums and also by flute and outcry . . . (Georg., X, 3:7)
The 'sounding gong and tinkling cymbal' used in such worship are mentioned in a derogatory sense in 1 Corinthians 13:1; but the religious outcry itself is dealt with more directly. It is essential that we understand that much of the shouting involved in the rite was the specific function of women. Euripides describes the advent of Dionysiac religion to Thebes thus: 'This city, first in Hellas, now shrills and echoes to my women's cries, their ecstasy of joy' (Bacchae, 11, 20-24)
Flashback to Romans 15. After defining the charismatic and musical SECTS in Rome, Paul outlawed dialog or discourse about their PREFERENCES because church is a SCHOOL OF THE BIBLE and has no roles for performance speakers, singers, musicians, jesters, buffoons, prostitutes or Sodomites ALL of whom prowled the paganism out of which many had come.
Therefore, the same Paul (I think) DEFINED OUT any thing which would create "mental excitement" (Rom 15) or the laded burden Jesus outlawed meaning "creation of spiritual anxiety by religious ceremonials.Romans XV. debemus autem nos firmiores inbecillitates infirmorum sustinere et non nobis placere
Outlawed: Placeo to please, to be pleasing or agreeable, to be welcome, acceptable, to satisfy (class.).Rom 8:1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the spirit
1. In scenic lang., of players or pieces presented, to please, find favor, give satisfaction: scenico placentiOutlawed: Scaenicus I. of or belonging to the stage, scenic, dramatic, theatrical
I. Lit.: poëtae, dramatic poets, ludi, stage-plays, theatrical representations, : fabula, a drama, organa, Suet. Ner. 44 : coronae, id. ib. 53 : habitus, id. ib. 38 : gestus, Cic. de Or. 3, 59, 220 : modulatio Comedy. Orator
Poi-êtês II. composer of a poem, author, p. kômôidias Pl.Lg.935e; p. kainôn dramatôn, b. composer of music, 2. author of a speech
Outlawed: Organum Vitr. 10, 1.--Of musical instruments, a pipe,. Gen. 4, 21; id. 2 Par. 34, 12 et saep.--Of hydraulic engines, an organ, water-organ: organa hydraulica,
Gen 4:21 And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.
H8610 manipulate, figuratively to use unwarrantably:--catch, handle, (lay, take) hold (on, over), stop, surely, surprise, take.
H8608 taphaph to drum, that is, play (as) on the tambourine:taber, play with timbrels.
H8611 tôpheth to'-feth From the base of H8608 ; a smiting, that is, (figuratively) contempt:--tabret. MEANING HELL
Outlawed: Modulatio. In partic., a rhythmical measure, modulation; hence, singing and playing, melody, in poetry and music, Quint. 9, 4, 139: modulatione produci aut corripi (verba), id. 9, 4, 89 : modulatio pedum, id. 1, 6, 2 : scenica, id. 11, 3, 57: vocis, melody, id. 11, 3, 59 : musica, Aus. Ep. 25, 13 .
Clement of Alexandria: "After having paid reverence to the discourse about God, they leave within [at church] what they have heard. And outside they foolishly amuse themselves with impious playing, and amatory quavering (feminine vibrato), occupied with flute-playing, and dancing, and intoxication, and all kinds of trash.
David Faust: My point is simply this. if I had no presupposition to defend against instrumental music, when I read Psalm 87 and Hebrews 12, I wouldn't find it surprising that instrumental music would be permitted by God in the church.Hopefully, we would begin with Genesis and discover that the "serpent" is defined as s Musical Enchanter. We would discover that the king of Tyre is the personification of Lucifer the singing and harp playing prostitute in the same Garden of Eden. He / she / it wholly seduced Eve so that Cain was OF that wicked one. We might discover that Cain is derived from a "musical note" and that Jubal "handled" musical instruments without authority.
We noted that David built the Tabernacle for the open symbolic presence of God, His Word and His Grace.
But, Solomon built Him a HOUSE, but God never lived in such houses.
Solomon dismantled the Tabernacle of David and put the Ark in the Most Holy Place. The loud "musical" noise was Gods SIGNAL to radically SHUT DOWN the temple so that no singer or instrument player could enter it even to clean out the garbage of the musical worship of Molech and other idols.
In 1 Corinthians 10 and Romans 10 Paul identified the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai: he called it the worship of demons which pointed to the bull call represented by the golden calf. Click for the events at Mount Sinai which the NACC thinks is commanded by Hebrews 12.
At Mount Sinai they refused to listen to the voice of God. Therefore, we are commanded to offer the "fruit of the lips" using that which is written (Romans 15):"The triumphal hymn of Moses had unquestionably a religious character about it; but the employment of music in religious services, though idolatrous, is more distinctly marked in the festivities which attended the erection of the golden calf." (Smith's Bible Dictionary, Music, p. 589).
"And the people celebrated this feast with burnt-offerings and thank-offerings, with eating and drinking, i.e. with sacrificial meals and sports, or with loud rejoicing, shouting, antiphonal songs, and dances, in the same manner in which the Egyptians celebrated their feast of Apis (Herod. 2, 60, and 3, 27)." (Keil and Delitzsch, Vol. II, p. 222).
"In the New Testament there is nowhere any emphasis laid on the musical form of the hymns; and in particular none on instrumental accompaniment whereas this is significantly paganism." (Delling, Gerhard, Worship in the New Testament, trans. Percy Scott Phil. Westminster press, 1962, p. 86).
By refusing to listen to God they fell into musical idolatry and God abandoned them to worship the starry host: why would anyone look at the worship of the astrial deities and THINK that this was something HELD OVER to be understood by someone on a desert island? When people heard the TRUMPET it always induced panic and fear and NEVER induced spiritual worship. God promised another prophet LIKE Moses to be HEARD. Therefore, none of the Monarchy period of Sabazianism was God's OBSOLETE patternism for worship but a death sentence.Heb 12:18 For ye are NOT come unto
..........the mount that might be touched,
..........and that burned with fire,
..........nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,Just like the Temple MARKED by the same loud music!
Heb 12:19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words;
..........which voice they that heard intreated
..........that the word should not be spoken to them any more:Heb 12:20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded,
..........And if so much as a beast touch the mountain,
..........it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:And if YOU touched foot into the Holy or Most Holy Place youwould be thrust through.
Heb 12:21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:)
Regular Bible readers would see the Qahal or synagogue or church in the wilderness in Numbers 10, this 'school of the Bible' for all 'civilians' outside of the temple area, the approved example of Jesus, the practices of Paul who never SANG, Paul's direct command where SELF-pleasing prohibits all of the hypocritic arts, the practice of the early church and the fact that David will find NO church scholar who failed to see what he failed to see.
We are not come to Mount Moriah: Jesus has been there -- done that.
Solomon built God a HOUSE on Moriah. But, God was in heaven answering prayers from people down on Zion: "After these things God tested Abraham, and said to him, "Abraham!" And he said, "Here am I." He said, "Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering upon one of the mountains of which I shall tell you."
God provided a SUBSTITUTE: So Abraham called the name of that place The LORD will provide; as it is said to this day, "On the mount of the LORD it shall be provided." God again PROVIDED in Jerusalem, tore down the temple and the harps and harpists mostly died and were burned at Topheth.
Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,Those who come to the sound of the trumpet do not grasp that they are agents of SHAKING.Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
Loud noise which was exorcism in all national temples and used on Jesus as musical mocking and this was ONLY in and around Jerusalem, ONLY in connection with the sacrificial system. What SACRIFICE can you offer God to REPLACE the lost Mediator when He has removed the CANDLES because of your MUSICAL SORCERY (Rev 17-18).
"In Greek ritual the SACRIFICE was accompanied by the invocatory cries of WOMEN.Their purpose was to call the good gods so that they cound ENJOY the SACRIFICE.
Menander attests to the attribution of this significance to music. According to Plutarch, the inhabiants of Argos blew trumpets (yobel=jubilee) on the FEAST of Dionysos so as to call the god up from the depths of the river Lerne for the sacrifice. Because song and music increased the efficacy of the epiclesis the words of epiclesis were nearly always sung to instrumental accompaniment. Thus the Dionysian fellowship used the ritual of women in order to obtain the appearance of their god. Arnobius alludes to such songs of the pagans performed to flute accompaniment, and he mockingly asks whether the sleeping deities will be awakened by them." (Quasten, Johannes, Music and Worship in Pagan and Christian Antiquity, p. 17)
Music had the same character of epiclesis. It was understood to "call down" the good gods.
Whose voice then SHOOK the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet ONCE MORE I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. Heb 12:26
And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the REMOVING of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken [a trumpet-like word] may remain. Heb 12:27
Wherefore we RECEIVING a KINGDOM which cannot be moved, let us have GRACE,
whereby we may SERVE God acceptably with REVERENCE and godly fear: Heb 12:28For our God is a consuming fire. Heb 12:29
You cannot fall or your face or DO reverence when your body and spirit is being SHAKEN with music.
Aidos (g127) ahee-doce'; perh. from 1 (as a neg. particle) and 1492 (through the idea of downcast eyes); bashfulness, i.e. (towards men), modesty or (towards God) awe: - reverence, shamefacedness.
Aidôs, oos, contr. ous, ê (late nom. pl. aidoi Sch.E.Hipp.386), as a moral feeling,
A. reverence, awe, respect for the feeling or opinion of others or for one's own conscience, and so shame, self-respect
2. regard for others, respect, reverence, regard for the helpless, compassionThis outlaws the PLEASURING in the ekklesia in Romans 15 where personal diversities are NOT subject of the dialog or speaking. The Weak are those with a false agenda and the Infirm are those who do not NEED the SHAKING when they come to bow to SPEAK "that which is written" or "Scripture" in what is defined as "a whisper or conversational tone."
Why doesn't the Pagan-Musical identity dissuade modern musical sectarians when all of church history repudiates them?
Many knew the meaning of words and would neve associate music with decent people in a religious sese.
[411a] "Certainly." "And that of the ill adjusted is cowardiy and rude?" "It surely is."
"Now when a man abandons himself to music to play 1 upon him and pour 2 into his soul as it were through the funnel of his ears those sweet, soft, and dirge-like airs of which we were just now3 speaking, and gives his entire time to the warblings and blandishments of song, the first result is that the principle of high spirit, if he had it,Note 1. kat-auleô, A. charm by flute-playing, [methuo: "don't get drunk with wine'] drinking wine to the strains of the flute, subdued by a flute accompaniment, metaph, to be piped down, ridiculed,
Playing demands: katapsallô, A. play stringed instruments to, [sumposion] kataulein kai. 2. Pass., to be buried to the sound of music
Plutarch, Marcus Antonius: Thus, all their forces being joined together, they hoised 5 sail towards the ile 6 of Samos. and there gave themselves to feasts and solace. For as all the kings, princes, and commonalties, people, and cities, from Syria unto the marrishes Maeotides, and from the Armenians to the Illyrians, were sent unto, to send and bring all munition and warlike preparation they could: even so all players, minstrels, tumblers, fools, and jesters, were commanded to assemble in the ile of Samos. So that, where in manner all the world in every place was full of lamentations, sighs, and tears, only in this ile of Samos there was nothing for many days' space but singing and piping, and all the theatre full of these common players, minstrels, and singing -men. Besides all this, every city sent an ox thither to sacrifice, and kings did strive one with another who should make the noblest feasts, and give the richest gifts. So that [p. 204] every man said, "What can they do more for joy of victory, if they win the battle, when they make already such sumptuous feasts at the beginning of the war ?"Note 2 katechomai is used of divine "possession" or inspiration in Phaedr. 244 E, Ion 533 E, 536 B, etc., Xen.Symp. 1. 10.
Antonius carrieth Cleopatra with him to the wars against Octavius Caesar: and kept great feasting at the isle of Samos together.
Note 3 Cf. 398 D-E, where the thrênôdeis harmoniai are rejected altogether, while here they are used to illustrate the softening effect of music on a hard temperament. It is misspent ingenuity to harp on such "contradictions.[411b] is softened like iron and is made useful instead of useless and brittle. But when he continues the practice without remission and is spellbound, the effect begins to be that he melts and liquefies till he completely dissolves away his spirit, cuts out as it were the very sinews of his soul and makes of himself a 'feeble warrior.' ” “Assuredly,” he said. “And if,” said I, “he has to begin with a spiritless nature he reaches this result quickly, but if high-spirited, by weakening the spirit he makes it unstable,
<img src="/cgi-bin/Count.cgi?df=piney/counter_Faust.Music.Prophecy.html.dat">Jesus consigned such people to the Agora or marketplace where the pagan temples, sacrifices, singing, playing, dancing, selling of male prostitutes and radishes took place. The secondary meaning of PSALLO is the red, polluted rope the slaves used to DRIVE the idlers FROM the Agora and force them to attend the Ekklesia FOR INSTRUCTION ONLY with everyone knowing that they were MARKED.Thrênôdeis harmoniai
Thrênôdês 1 [eidos] like a dirge, fit for a dirge, Plat.
Thrênos 1 [threomai]1. a funeral-song, dirge, lament, Lat. naenia, Il., Hdt., Trag.; thrênos houmos for me, Aesch.2. a complaint, sad strain, Pind., etc.
They are like unto children sitting in the marketplace, and calling one to another, and saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced. we have mourned to you, and ye have not wept. Luke 7:32
Threnos (g2355) thray'-nos; from the base of 2360; wailing: - lamentation.
Threskeia (g2356) thrace-ki'-ah; from a der. of 2357; ceremonial observance: - religion, worshipping.
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