Summorph-os , on,A. of the same
shape as, tini Nic.Th.321,
cf. Ep.Phil.3.21;
tinos Ep.Rom. 8.29:
abs., similar, Luc.Am.39.
Romans 8.[29] For whom he foreknew (Israel), he also
predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son,
that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
Jay Guin: The Holy Spirit and Revolutionary Grace
Jay Guin: Many of those who believe the Spirit works only through the Word would say that the Spirit indwells all Christians, but they would mean that the Spirit indwells representatively through the Word.
No, that
is not true. The Spirit OF [a preposition]
Christ is defined as the Mind of Christ in 1
Corinthians 2. Spirit is never a "people" in any
historic view of the trinity. Jesus aid "my WORDS
are Spirit and they are life" (John 6:63). He didn't
mean that His words were a PEOPLE in the person
sense. If you want the mind of Plato to dwell in you
you have to read the words of Plato. You either have
the Spirit or Mind contained in the literal BRAIN of Jesus
Christ or you have the Brain of Christ making known His
Mind which is His Spirit.
1Cor. 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among
them that are perfect:
yet not the wisdom
of this world, [Sophia:
singing, playing instruments, speaking]
nor of the princes
of this world, that come to nought:
1Cor. 2:7 But we SPEAK
the wisdom of God in a mystery,
even the hidden wisdom,
which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
1Cor. 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world
knew:
for had they known it,
they would not have crucified
the Lord of glory.
Matt. 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
Matt. 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
Matt. 13:15 For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should
see with their eyes, and
hear with their ears, and should
understand with their heart, and
should be converted [baptized], and
I should heal them.
Jesus said MY WORDS are SPIRIT:
Acts 13:27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers,
because they knew him not,
nor yet the voices of the prophets
which are READ every sabbath day,
they have fulfilled them in condemning him.
Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was,
he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day,
and stood up for to READ.
Acts 13:15 And after the READING of the law and the prophets
the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them,
saying, Ye men and brethren, if ye have any word of exhortation for the people, say on.
1Cor. 2:9
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard,
neither have entered into the heart of man, the
things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people,
even a marvellous work and a wonder:
for the WISDOM of their wise men shall perish,
and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid. Isa 29:14
Sophia A. cleverness or skill in handicraft and art, as in carpentry, tektonos, hos rha te pasēs eu eidē s. Il.15.412; of the Telchines, Pi.O.7.53; hē entekhnos s., of Hephaestus and Athena, Pl.Prt.32 1d; of Daedalus and Palamedes, X.Mem.4.2.33, cf. 1.4.2; in music and singing, tekhnē kai s. h.Merc.483, cf. 511; in poetry, Sol.13.52, Pi.O.1.117, Ar.Ra.882, X.An.1.2.8,
1Cor. 2:10 But God hath revealed them
unto us
by HIS Spirit:
for the [HIS] Spirit
searcheth all things,
yea, the deep things OF
God.
1Cor. 2:11
For what man knoweth the things OF a
man,
save the spirit OF man
which is IN him?
even so the things OF God
knoweth no man,
but the Spirit OF God.
1Cor. 2:12 Now we have received,
not the spirit OF
the world,
but the spirit which is OF
God;
that we might know
the things
that are freely given to us
OF
God.
1Cor. 2:13 Which things also WE speak,
not in the words which
man’s wisdom teacheth,
but which the Holy
Ghost teacheth;
comparing spiritual things
with spiritual.
MAN'S WISDOM IS:
Sophia skilled in music and singing, in poetry, in divination, in speaking Hephaistos all of the buildings, arts, armour etc Cast out of heaven like Lucifer. Built temple for Apollo (Abaddon, Apollyon) in music and singing, tekhnē kai s. h.Merc.483, cf. 511; in poetry in divination In Music and Singing HH 4 483
Of Lying wonders Homer Hymn 4 to Hermes or KAIROS of Lying Wondes
HH 4 483 475] What skill is this? What song for desperate cares? What way of song? For verily here are three things to hand all at once from which to choose, —mirth, and love, and sweet sleep. [450] And though I am a follower of the Olympian Muses who love dances and the bright path of song —the full-toned chant and ravishing thrill of flutes —yet I never cared for any of those feats of skill at young men's revels, as I do now for this: [455] I am filled with wonder, O son of Zeus, at your sweet playing
Hermes steals Apollo's cattle but then gives him is Lyre made from the shell of a turtle: this was supposed to be useful in witchcraft or sorcery: musical in religion has no other purpose.
but since, as it seems, your heart is so strongly set on playing the lyre, chant, and play upon it, and give yourself to merriment, taking this as a gift from me,
and do you, my friend, bestow glory on me.
Sing well with this clear-voiced companion in your hands; for you are skilled in good, well-ordered utterance. [480] From now on bring it confidently to the rich feast and lovely dance and glorious revel, a joy by night and by day.
Whoso with wit and wisdom enquires of it cunningly, him it teaches [485] through its sound all manner of things that delight the mind, being easily played with gentle familiarities, for it abhors toilsome drudgery; but whoso in ignorance enquires of it violently, to him it chatters mere vanity and foolishness.Sophis-tês , ou, ho, master of one's craft, adept, expert, of diviners, of poets, meletan sophistais prosbalon Pi.I.5(4).28 , cf. Cratin.2; of musicians, sophistês . . parapaiôn chelun, II. from late v B.C., a Sophist, i.e. one who gave lessons in grammar, rhetoric, politics, mathematics, for money, Even of Socrates (though he did not teach for money), 3. later of the rhêtores, Professors of Rhetoric
Pi.I.5(4).28 If Aegina turns her steps to the clear road of god-given deeds, then do not grudge
[25] to mix for her in song a boast that is fitting recompense for toils. In heroic times, too, fine warriors gained fame, and they are celebrated with lyres and flutes in full-voiced harmonies[28] for time beyond reckoning. Heroes who are honored by the grace of Zeus provide a theme for skilled poets:[30] among the Aetolians the brave sons of Oeneus are worshipped with shining sacrifices
1Cor.
2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things
of the Spirit of God:
for they are foolishness
unto him:
neither can he know
them,
because they are spiritually
discerned.
Ezek. 11:19 And I will give them ONE heart,
and I will put a new spirit within you;
and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh,
and will give them an heart of flesh:
Ezek. 11:20 That they may walk in my statutes,
and keep mine ordinances, and do them:
and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.
NATURAL SPIRIT: g5591. psuchikos, psoo-khee-kos´; from 5590; sensitive, i.e. animate (in distinction on the one hand from 4152, which is the higher or renovated nature; and on the other from 5446, which is the lower or bestial nature): — natural, sensual.
A HOLY SPIRIT:
g4152 pneumatikos, pnyoo-mat-ik-os´; from 4151; non-carnal, i.e. (humanly) ethereal (as opposed to gross), or (daemoniacally) a spirit (concretely), or (divinely) supernatural, regenerate, religious: — spiritual. Compare 5591.
g4151. pneuma, pnyoo´-mah; from 4154; a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze;
by analogy or figuratively, a spirit, i.e. (human) the rational soul, (
by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc.,
or (superhuman) an angel, demon, or (divine) God,
Christ’s spirit, the Holy Spirit: — ghost, life, spirit(-ual, -ually), mind. Compare 5590.
1Cor. 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
1Cor. 1:20 Where is the wise?
where is the scribe?
where is the disputer of this world?
hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
1Cor. 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God
the world by wisdom knew not God,
it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching
to save them that believe.
g5429. phronimos, fron´-ee-mos; from 5424; thoughtful, i.e. sagacious or discreet (implying a cautious character;
while 4680 denotes practical skill or acumen;
and 4908 indicates rather intelligence or mental acquirement);
in a bad sense conceited (also in the comparative): — wise(-r).
g4680. sophos, sof-os´; akin to safh/ß saphes (clear); wise (in a most general application): — wise. Compare 5429.
g4908. sunetos, soon-et´-os; from 4920; mentally put (or putting) together, i.e. sagacious: — prudent. Compare 5429.
THE MEANING OF SPIRIT-NEVER A PERSON OTHER
THAN APOLLON-ABADDON
THE MEANING OF CORRUPTING THE WORD: SELLING LEARNING AT RETAIL-PROSTITUTION
Peter and others says that he left US a memory which is not subject to "private interpretation" or further expounding. Paul says that it is not subject to corruption which means "selling learning at retail" which includes selling any body part as prostitution.
GRACE-CENTERED ENGAGES IN GRACE-FILLED WORSHIP RITUALS TO SILENCE JESUS
Paul wants both men and women to be quiet and silent in the assembly to prevent self-authoring speaking "so that all might be saved or kept safe and come to a knowledge of THE TRUTH" which is THE WORD or the Regulative principle. The Graces were models of the Babylon Mother of Harlots Tripple-Goddesses. That is why God presented Jesus as the SON of a Father and not the daughter of a mother.
1Tim. 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.MEN are to come to a knowledge of THE TRUTH or THE LOGOS and are therefore THE SOURCE of truth.
Jay writes his personal opinions which is the role of the women prophetesses who when drunk on wine and music sold her words as that of A God who, if you hear one, is Apollon-Abaddon the leader of the Graces-Muses. THE TRUTH is THE WORD which is The Regulative Principle which the Progressives REPUDIATE so they can be the ONE MEDIATOR
1Tim. 2:5 For there is one God,ANTI-Christ denies this even making the breath between Father and So a PERSON whom they claim "guides them beyond the sacred ages."
and one mediator between God and men,
the man Christ Jesus;
1Tim. 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?The Neo-Trinitarians who refute the historic trinity by claiming that God is a FAMILY of Gods, are SONS of H. Leo Boles of Lipscomb. That's where Jay Guin learned polytheism.
He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
God said that He was neither a MAN nor the SON of Man.
Jesus said that He was the Son of God and the Son of Man.
Jesus said that God as Spirit does not have flesh and blood.
Jesus said that He had flesh and blood and therefore said that He was NOT God nor one of the gods.
Jay Guin has not been "progressed" yet:
1John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth
not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God:
and this is that spirit of antichrist,
whereof ye have heard that it should come;
and even now already is it in the world.
2John 7 For many deceivers are entered into the WORLD,
who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.
This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Jesus came to SEND evangelist out to seek the Little Flock or the WAY that is called a SECT. The ONE-PIECE PATTERN was to give the Little Flock A holy spirit or A good consciousness so they could READ BLACK text on BROWN PAPERS.
THE DEFACTO GODDESSES OF THE POLYTHEISTS
JESUS AS GOD'S PERSONIFIED GRACE TEACHES YOU TO DENY EXACTLY WHAT JAY GUIN IS AFFIRMING.
Jay Guin has set out to rewrite ALL of the views of The Church of Christ which have never changed in two thousand years. This has to do with the Name, Baptism, The Holy Spirit, Instrumental Music and a few other defining characteristics which many would love to trash by feeding off each others false teachings. The problem with being a New Testament Preacher is that you can end up terminally ignorant of the Old Testament as chapter one.
8.09.11
K.C.Moser the Gift of the Holy Spirit.
K.C.Moser: can the Gospel be Obeyed? Yes, Says Mosers and his disciples: to BELIEVE the Gospel is to OBEY the gospel..
4.17.11 SOME NEW REVIEWS OF JAY'S POLYTHEISM: I WILL LOOK AT THIS BITS AT A TIME.
Jesus of Nazareth was born of a virgin, the SEED of Abraham: He did not exist before He existed.
Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens:
but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord,
Sit thou on my right hand,
Acts 2:35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly,
that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified,
both Lord and Christ.
Rom. 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle,
separated unto the gospel of God,
Rom. 1:2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
Rom. 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord,
which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Rom. 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power,
according to the spirit of holiness,
by the resurrection from the dead:
Luke 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world,
and the resurrection from the dead,
neither marry, nor are given in marriage:Luke 20:36 Neither can they die any more:
for they are equal unto the angels;
and are the children of God,
being the children of the resurrection.Christ took on the form of a man to die on the cross. He died, was resurrected, was transfigured or changed. He did and does exist in the same state we will be in after we are resurrected. After Jesus received the promise of the holy spirit form HE returned at Pentecost and made Himself known by fire and tongues, John says that the "another" or in a different form Comforter bears the name "Jesus Christ the Righteous: there is only one Paraclete.
Acts 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him,
that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh,
he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ,
that his soul was not left in hell,
neither his flesh did see corruption.1Corinthians 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption,
and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Corinthians 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption,
and this mortal shall have put on immortality,
then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written,
Death is swallowed up in victory.
Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Acts 2:33 Therefore (Jesus) being by the right hand of God exalted,
and having received of the Father
the promise of the Holy Ghost,
HE hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
1Corinthians 15:55 O death, where is thy sting?
O grave, where is thy victory?
1Corinthians 15:56 The sting of death is sin;
and the strength of sin is the law.
1Corinthians 15:57 But thanks be to God,
which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Acts 2:35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly,
that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified,
both Lord and Christ.1Corinthians 15:58 Therefore, my beloved brethren,
be ye stedfast, unmoveable,
always abounding in the work of the Lord,
forasmuch as ye know that your labour
is not in vain in the Lord.
When the Spirit Lord appeared to Paul He said "I am Jelsus of Nazareth." There is NO OTHER name.
Jay Guin: A. The Spirit and the Word
Because many within the Churches of Christ believe the Holy Spirit only indwells Christians representatively, that is, through the Word, we must first consider the merit of this view. As we do so, we will often linger over a key passage to gain a deeper insight into the workings of God’s Spirit.
No one believes that a person or PEOPLE indwells the person in any sense. Jesus said My words are Spirit and Life. All classical trinitarians viewed the relationship between the ONE GOD the Father and ONE MAN the Son as Jesus defined it in John 12f: God Thinks, God breathes, Son Speaks.
Isa 33:4 For the [1] word of the [3] Lord is right;
and all his [3] works are done in truth.
Psa 33:5 He loveth righteousness and judgment:
the earth is full of the goodness of the Lord.
Psa 33:6 By the [1] word of the [3] Lord were the heavens made;
and all the host of them by the [3] breath (spirit) of his mouth.
Psa 33:7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses.
Psa 33:8 Let all the earth fear the Lord: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.
Psa 33:9 For he spake, and it was done;
he commanded, and it stood fast.
Psa 33:10 The Lord bringeth the counsel of the heathen to nought:
he maketh the devices of the people of none effect.
Psa 33:11 The counsel of the Lord standeth for ever, the thoughts of his heart to all generations.
Again, Paul equates the Holy Spirit to the Mind of Christ: the Mind of Christ is not a person: the Spirit of Christ is not a person: "He has an angry spirit" does not mean that a little person called "anger" lives inside His body.
Churches of Christ which had a Reformed background through the Campbell understood fully that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit or Mind of Christ. Christ put that mind into the prophets and Jesus fulfilled the prophecies and proved it to the apostles. The Apostles left us a memory in written form as a way to MARK those who did not teach that which had been taught.
No classical Trinitarian thought of God as three "people" one from another.
Many Restoration scholars fully understood that the concept of Trinity was being changed from the historical trinitarian view. They understood the people who first used the word "trias" to be consistent with what Jesus taught in "proverbs" from John 12-16. They understood that in Hebrew and Greek the word literal means only WIND. In an accomodative sense it was used of the Breath of God (remember proverbs in Ch 16). There is no historic scholar who did not define the Godhead in the same sense Jesus used:
In a literal sense there is:
One God the Father
One Lord the Son who as man mediates.
1Tim. 2:5 For there is one God,
and one mediator between God and men,
the man Christ Jesus.
I have collected several passages which prove this two-fold relationship.ALEXANDER CAMPBELL UNDERSTOOD THAT JESUS OF NAZARETH BEGAN WHEN HE WAS CONCEIVED.
John 5:43 I am come in my Father’s name,
and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
In an econominal sense there is:
Father or Thought in all classicall trinities.
Spirit or Breath spirit or breath is what passes between Father and Son.
Son or articulated Word.
Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens:Augustine speaking of the confusion at the time wrote:
but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord,
Sit thou on my right hand,
Acts 2:35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly,
that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified,
both Lord and Christ.
For instance, Augustine A Treatise on Fath and the Creed wrote:
The following text of the Apostles' Creed may be collected from this book of St. Augustin, and was current in North Africa towards the close of the fourth century:1. I Believe in God the Father Almighty. Chs. 2 and 3.
2. (And) In Jesus Christ,
the Son of God,
the Only-Begotten of the Father,
or, His Only Son, Our Lord. Ch. 3.
3. Who Was Born Through the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary. Ch. 4 (§ 8.)
4. Who Under Pontius Pilate Was Crucified and Buried. Ch. 5 (§ 11.)
5. On the Third Day He Rose Again from the Dead. Ch. 5 (§ 12.)
6. He Ascended into Heaven. Ch. 6 (§ 13.)
7. He Sitteth at the Right Hand of the Father. Ch. 7 (§ 14.)
8. From Thence He Will Come and Judge the Living and the Dead. Ch. 8 (§ 15.)
9. (and I Believe) in the Holy Spirit. Ch. 9 (§ 16--19.)
10. I Believe the Holy Church (Catholic). Ch. 10 (§ 21.)
11. The Forgiveness of Sin. Ch. 10 (§ 23.)
12. The Resurrection of the Body. Ch. 10 (§ 23, 24.)
13. The Life Everlasting. Ch. 10 (§ 24.)]THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE SPIRIT OF GOD OR OF CHRIST.But God,
when He begot the Word,
begot that which He is Himself.
Neither out of nothing, nor of any material already made and founded did He then beget;
but He begot of Himself that which He is Himself.
God the Father, on the other hand, who possessed both the will and the power to declare Himself with the utmost truth to minds designed to obtain knowledge of Him,
with the purpose of thus declaring Himself begot this [Word]
which He Himself is who did beget;
which [Person] is likewise called His Power and Wisdom,
inasmuch as it is by Him that He has wrought all things, and in order disposed them;
of whom these words are for this reason spoken:
"She (Wisdom) reacheth from one end to another mightily,
and sweetly doth she order all things. "
From prepositions 101a we understand that the spirit of John Doe is not another person.
Jay Guin: There have been a number of publications by the non-indwelling school of thought to the effect that the Holy Spirit and the Word must be the same since they do the same things. Lists have been compiled by which it is shown that the Bible attributes the same roles to the Word and the Spirit. Thus, it is argued, they are indistinguishable.
Since the historic church and the Churches of Christ do not believe that the Spirit OF God is another "people" no one believes that the BOOK is the PERSONAL Spirit person. Spirit never speaks of person other than the meaning of the basis upon which God exists meaning mind.
The Mind of Plato and the Words of Plato are not the same. However, the only way to understand the mind or spirit of Plato is to read the words of Plat.
I will always be grateful that my little school taught me about prepositional phrases.
Most disciples understand that Jesus said "MY Words are Spirit and Life" John 6:63. The Spirit OF Christ is the MIND of Christ as Paul makes clear in 1 Corinthians 2. When Jesus speaks or has recorded, He conveys His spirit or his mind. Most older scholars did not think that the Spirit was a "people" so there was a reason to agree with Jesus that the Spirit or Breath of God is conveyed to the Son or Word who does not speak on His own and neither does the Spirit.
Jay Guin: Let’s test this argument by reading a few passages. First, note this quote from John’s Gospel:(John 14:16-17)2 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever—the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.
25. Jay proof texts which proves that He is not guided by the Spirit or Mind of Christ which does not speak in prooftext leaving out the punch line. Note that "spirit" is a personification like Faith or Grace. Because the Spirit or Mind of Christ is a HE that defines the gender of the personification.
John 14:17 Even the spirit OF truth;Why do you think polytheists can never quote verse 18? Jesus continues to show the two-fold relationship which does not include ANOTHER Spirit.
whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him:
but ye know him; for he dwelleth WITH you, and shall be in you.
John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
There is ONE GOD the Father in heaven
And ONE son, Jesus of Nazareth whom God MADE TO BE both lord and Christ.
First John says that if you deny that ONE God relationship you are an Anti-Christ.
Jesus does not included a Spirit person in the indwelling because when the Father and Son abide with you THEIR Spirit or mind abides with you. Not even Jesus had the symbols of God's Spirit INSIDE of His body.
Jay Guin: In these verses, Jesus tells his apostles that after his resurrection God will send the Holy Spirit. The Spirit 3 will certainly not be given only to the apostles or the First Century Christians—the Spirit is to be given “forever.” Moreover, the coming Spirit will neither be seen nor known by the world.John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him,Again, as we will have a holy spiritual body when we are changed, when Jesus returned to the Father to be changed, He would--as promised--return to be with them until the end. Jesus of Nazareth exists as THE singular Holy Spirit person appointed by God to be both Lord and Christ for our small world.
If a man love me, he will keep my words: (CENI)
and my Father will love him,
and WE will come unto him,
and make our abode with him.
John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings:
and the word which ye hear is not mine,
but the Father’s which sent me.
John 14:25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
John 14:26 But the Comforter, (paraklete)
which is the Holy Ghost,
whom the Father will send in my name, (His name will be Jesus)
he shall teach you all things,
and bring all things to your remembrance,
whatsoever I have said unto you.
The Church is built upon the foundation of the Prophets (by Christ) and the prophecies made more certain by Jesus of Nazareth to the apostles.
- Jesus in Spirit form will REMIND the Apostles of what Jesus in the flesh has said to them.
- Jesus did not speak to any one alive today.
- Therefore, YOU will not be reminded of what you never heard.
There are no apostles who saw and heard the risen Jesus Christ.
Father-Son abides in us when we keep God's commandments. In the same way WE abid IN Father-Son when we keep God's commandments. Neither means INSIDE of but in connection.
In prepositional phrases we learned that the Spirit OF truth would not be another "people" named Truth.
John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father,
even the spirit OF truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the spirit OF truth, is come,
he will guide you into all truth:
for he shall not speak of himself;
but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak:
and he will shew you things to come.
Jesus in spirit will not say anything to anyone as prophets.
Jesus does not pray for the world: that is the meaning of the kingdom comming with OBSERVATION: that means the kingdom will not come nor will Jesus come to religious observations; He still speaks when the elders teach that which has been taught.
Jesus said I will send the Spirir from the Father: Jesus is the ONE mediator between the source of knowledge and the believer. Not The Holy Spirit, but the spirit OF truth. He would REMIND the Apostles of what He had taught and guide them into all truth. Peter left a "memory" what what he heard and say and was validated by supernatural signs. They, in turn, could work miracles to prove that they had been taught by Jesus Christ. No one living has truth in that first-hand sense.
THE SAME JOHN PROVES THAT SPIRIT IS PERSONIFIED
Jay Guin: Jesus is our Counselor, and the Spirit is another Counselor. The Greek word translated Counselor is the same word used for a defense attorney. It is literally “one who stands beside” to give comfort or counsel. Some translations call the Spirit the “Comforter.” And the word refers to a person, not a book. And Jesus himself speaks of sending “him,” not “it.”
Of the Comforther Jesus said I will come to you: John says the comforter's name is Jesus Christ the righteous. We will become "another" person when we have died, been resurrected and glorified into "another body."
1Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren,Jesus of Nazareth was Jesus of Nazareth when He APPEARED to and SPOKE to Paul to qualify him as an apostle.
that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;
neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Another does not mean "a different" Comforter but will be different in some respects: Jesus of Nazareth in His post-resurrection state WILL be Holy Spirit and not flesh and bones. We will receive another body but our name will not change.
Allos 3. allos kai allos, one or two; allo kai allo one thing after another, id=Xen.
II. rarely like alloios, of other sort, different, Il.: hence 2. sometimes like a comp., c. gen., alla tōn dikaiōn other than just,
Rarely: alloios , a, on, (allos) A. of another sort or kind, different,
Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ;
that ye should be married to another,
even to him who is raised from the dead,
that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
God ordained that Jesus of Nazareth be our prophet, priest and king: we live in this world and Jesus Christ The Holy Spirit was prepared to deal with humans.
Heteros here is not another numerically but "in another or a different way, changed, altered."
1Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump:
for the trumpet shall sound,
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,
and we shall be changed.
236. allasso, al-las´-so; from 243; to make different: — change.
allassō , later Att. allanto-ttō Pl.Prm.139a: impf.243. allos, al´-los; a primary word; “else,” i.e. different (in many applications): — more, one (another), (an-, some an-)other(-s, -wise).
II. a. ti tinos give in exchange, barter one thing for another,
2. take a new position, i.e. go to a place, “a.Haida thalamous” E.Hec.483; “polin ek poleōs” Pl.Plt.289e.
Philippians 3:21 Who shall change our vile [slave] body,
that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body,
according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
Metaskhēma^t-izō , A. change the form of a person or thing, Pl.Lg. 903e,
1John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.
And if any man sin, we have an advocate (paraklete) with the Father,
Jesus Christ the righteous:
1John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins:
and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.The Spirit OF Truth is what Jesus sent through the Apostles (only). The spirit OF error is not another person. Spirit means WIND or BREATH but then figuratively speaks of the MENTAL DISPOSITION but only of a rational PERSON.1Tim. 2:5 For there is one God,
and one mediator between God and men,
the man Christ Jesus1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit,
but try the spirits whether they are of God:
because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God:
Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God:
and this is that spirit of antichrist,
whereof ye have heard that it should come;
and even now already is it in the world.
1John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them:
because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1John 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them
1John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us.
Hereby know we the Spirit OF truth, and the spirit of error.
Jay Guin: Moreover, the Spirit that Jesus is to send forever can be seen and known by Christians but not non-Christians. How can this be a description of the Bible? Many lost people own and diligently study the Bible. Jesus says that only Christians possess and experience the indwelling of the Spirit.
The World (Kosmos) speaking of the rhetoric, singing, instruments race cannot see the Spirit. When the Spirit manifest himself it was Jesus of Nazareth: I doubt that anyone today sees Jesus.
A holy spirit in Acts 2:38 is A good conscience in 1 Peter 3:21 which is a co-perception. That does not mean that THE Holy Spirit as a "people" guides us beyond the sacred pages: it means that those who have been baptized INTO Christ are accepted by Him as DisciplesAlexander Campbell and others understand that A holy spirit is OUR unholy spirit which has been cleansed by the blood of Jesus Christ and not His "spirit."
"This is...understood by every attentive reader. The original phrase is hagiasmos pneumatos, and is found only in II. Thess. ii. 13; I. Pet. i. 2. In both places it appears to refer to the sanctification of the spirit of believers. It is literally rendered "sanctification [or holiness] of spirit." There is no article in the original and no epithet that suggests the Holy Spirit in either passage.
God has chosen men to salvation through (or by) holiness of spirit;
not through the holiness of his Spirit,
but through the holiness of their spirit.
When Jesus prayed (John xvii.) for the sanctification or holiness of his disciples,
it was through the truth: "Sanctify them through the truth;
thy word is truth."
The belief of the truth is, therefore, by Paul associated with this holiness or sanctification of spirit.
The Spirit of God is frequently denominated in these days, "the Sanctifier." Let it be granted that it is the Spirit that sanctifies or sets apart men to God, still it must be argued from the Record
that he sanctifies them only through the truth or gospel believed.
A sanctified unbeliever is inconceivable;
and, as "without holiness [or sanctification of spirit] no man can see the Lord;
so, without faith, there can be no holiness, and no action acceptable to God.All persons sanctified to God to any high office or function, were anointed, and thus consecrated to his special service. So all Christians, being priests,
are anointed or sanctified by the Holy Spirit
[135] through the obedience of the truth,
and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus,
cleansing their consciences from dead works to serve the living God."
Jay Guin: (1 Cor. 3:23) [Y]ou are of Christ, and Christ is of God.
1Corinthians 3:23KJV, ASV, WEB And ye are Christ’s; and Christ is God’s.
1Corinthians 3:23NET and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God.
1Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written,
He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
1Corinthians 3:20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.
1Corinthians 3:21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;
Sophos , ē, on, A. skilled in any handicraft or art, clever, harmatēlatas s. Pi.P.5.115, cf. N.7.17; “kubernētēs” A.Supp.770; “mantis” Id.Th.382; “oiōnothetas” S.OT484 (lyr.); of a sculptor, E.Fr.372; even of hedgers and ditchers, Margites Fr.2; but in this sense mostly of poets and musicians, Pi.O.1.9, P.1.42, 3.113; en kithara s. E.IT1238 (lyr.), cf. Ar.Ra.896 (lyr.), etc.; tēn tekhnēn -ōteros ib.766; “peri ti” Pl.Lg.696c; glōssē s. S.Fr.88.10; “sophos ho polla eidōs phua, mathontes de labroi” Pi.O.2.86.
also en oiōnois, kithara, E. IT662, 1238 (lyr.);Leading up to the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai was the people's refusal to hear God Himself: they were so afraid that they demanded a mediator much like demanding a preacher-priest and a musician-priests. They were made blind and deaf until Christ came. Immediately they fell into musical idolatry which is always beyond redemption.
2Cor. 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face,HOW DID ANYONE MISS THE FACT THAT THE LORD JESUS CHRIST IS THE SPIRIT.
that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
2Cor. 3:14 But their minds were blinded:
for until this day remaineth
the same vail untaken away
in the reading of the old testament;
which vail is done away in Christ.
2Cor. 3:15 But even unto this day,
when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
2Cor. 3:16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, [Baptism]
the vail shall be taken away. [Receiving A holy spirit]
Jesus used the example of being CONVERTED and BORN AGAIN like a child
Luke recorded the example of BAPTISM to be SAVED and CONVERTED meaning the same thing.
Until you are CONVERTED you will not be able to read WHOLE THOUGHT PATTERNS written in BLACK INK on WHITE paper.
YOU MUST TURN FROM THE CROOKED RACE FIRST.Epi-strephô , pf.
c. Philos., cause to return to the source of Being, tinas eis ta enantia kai ta prôta
This is opposite the Hellas or Hellenenes aglōssos” Hellas, said to have been originally the name of the region round Dodona,
Plato, Phaedrus
It might be so if madness were simply an evil;but there is also a madness which is a divine gift,
and the source of the chiefest blessings granted to men.For prophecy is a madness,
and the prophetess at Delphi and the priestesses at Dodonawhen out of their senses have conferred great benefits on Hellas,
both in public and private life,
but when in their senses few or none.And I might also tell you how the Sibyl and other inspired persons have given to many an one many an intimation of the future which has saved them from falling. But it would be tedious to speak of what every one knows.
WHEN YOU RECEIVE A HOLY SPIRIT ONLY AT BAPTISMSocrates. There was a tradition in the temple of Dodona that oaks first gave prophetic utterances. The men of old, unlike in their simplicity to young philosophy, deemed that if they heard the truth even from "oak or rock," it was enough for them;
whereas you seem to consider not whether a thing is or is not true,
but who the speaker is and from what country the tale comes.See Isaiah 58 where Christ outlaws speaking our own words.
GREGORY NAZIANZEN. OR Oration XXXIX. V. And where will you place the butchery of Pelops,17 which feasted hungry gods, that bitter and inhuman hospitality? Where the horrible and dark spectres of Hecate, and the underground puerilities and sorceries of Trophonius, or the babblings of the Dodonaean Oak, or the trickeries of the Delphian tripod, or the prophetic draught of Castalia, which could prophesy anything, except their own being brought to silence?18 Nor is it the sacrificial art of Magi, and their entrail forebodings, nor the Chaldaean astronomy and horoscopes, comparing our lives with the movements of the heavenly bodies, which cannot know even what they are themselves, or shall be.Nor are these Thracian orgies, from which the word Worship (qrhskei/a) is said to be derived; nor rites and mysteries of Orpheus, whom the Greeks admired so much for his wisdom that they devised for him a lyre which draws all things by its music.
Nor the tortures of Mithras 19 which it is just that those who can endure to be initiated into such things should suffer;
nor the manglings of Osiris, 20 another calamity honoured by the Egyptians; nor the ill-fortunes of Isis 21 and the goats more venerable than the Mendesians,
and the stall of Apis, 22 the calf that luxuriated in the folly of the Memphites, nor all those honours with which they outrage the Nile, while themselves proclaiming it in song to be the Giver of fruits and corn, and the measurer of happiness by its cubits.23
Proteros and prôtos II. of Time, former, earlier, children by the first or a former marriage,
Prosthhen in front, before, formerly, of place and of time;
to gennêthen phusei pros to gennêsan
Genn-aô beget, bring forth, engender, call into existenceDeut XXX WEB. It shall happen, when all these things are come on you, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before you, and you shall call them to mind among all the nations, where Yahweh your God has driven you,
Phuo 1 Act.:--bring forth, produce, put forth, 2. beget, engender, get understanding,
Pros in the direction of
Genn-aô beget, bring forth, engender, call into existence
[2] and shall RETURN to Yahweh your God, and shall OBEY his voice according to all that I command you this day, you and your children, with all your heart, and with all your soul;
[3] that then Yahweh your God will turn your captivity, and have compassion on you, and will return and gather you from all the peoples, where Yahweh your God has scattered you.
2Cor. 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit:IF YOU IMPOSE ANOTHER "PERSON" YOU MINIMIZE THE WORK OF JESUS CHRIST: FIRSTJOHN CALLS YOU AN ANTI-CHRIST.
and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
2Cor. 3:18 But we all,
with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord,
are changed into the same image from glory to glory,
even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
1Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God.
For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
2Corinthians 4:1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;
2Corinthians 4:2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty,
not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully;
but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience
in the sight of God.
1 Cor 3 [19] For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, "He has taken the wise in their craftiness." [20] And again, "The Lord knows the reasoning of the wise, that it is worthless." [21] Therefore let no one boast in men. For all things are yours2Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
Sophos , ē, on,A. skilled in any handicraft or art, clever, harmatēlatas s. Pi.P.5.115, cf. N.7.17; “kubernētēs” A.Supp.770; “mantis” Id.Th.382; “oiōnothetas” S.OT484 (lyr.); of a sculptor, E.Fr.372; even of hedgers and ditchers, Margites Fr.2; but in this sense mostly of poets and musicians, Pi.O.1.9, P.1.42, 3.113; en kithara s. E.IT1238 (lyr.), cf. Ar.Ra.896 (lyr.), etc.; tēn tekhnēn -ōteros ib.766; “peri ti” Pl.Lg.696c; glōssē s. S.Fr.88.10; “sophos ho polla eidōs phua, mathontes de labroi” Pi.O.2.86.
also en oiōnois, kithara, E. IT662, 1238 (lyr.);
See Ephesians 4 outlawing performing arts.
Pa^nourg-ia , hē,A. knavery, A. Th.603, S.Ph.927, Lys.22.16, Pl.Lg.747c, Arist.EN1144a27: in pl., villainies, S.Ant.300, Ar.Eq.684, etc.
2Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds
of them which believe not,
Apistos 2. disobedient, disloyal, S.Fr. 627: c. gen., A.Th.876; ekhein apiston . . anarkhian polei, i.e. anarkhian ekhein apeithousan tē polei, ib.1035, cf. E.IT1476.lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ,
who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise [Sophos] and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.2Corinthians 4:5 For we preach not ourselves,
In 2 Corinthians 3, only the converted or baptized believer can HEAR or READ the Word of God. It is the WORD which is hidden.
but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus’ sake.
2Corinthians 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness,
hath shined in our hearts,
to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God
in the face of Jesus Christ.
2Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels,
that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
2 Timothy 2.20 Now in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of clay. Some are for honor, and some for dishonor.Vessels are of clay and not gold: God cannot use your talent.
Skeuos , eos, to, 2. inanimate object, thing, Opposite. zōon, sōma, Pl.R.601d, Grg.506d;
II.to s. the body, as the vessel of the soul, a metaph. clearly expressed in
Plat. Gorg. 506d And is that thing pleasant by whose advent we are pleased, and that thing good by whose presence we are good? Certainly. But further, both we and everything else that is good, are good by the advent of some virtue? In my view this must be so, Callicles. But surely the virtue of each thing,
whether of an implement or of a body, or again of a soul or any live creature,
does not arrive most properly by accident,
but by an order or rightness or art that is apportioned to each.
Is that so? I certainly agree.Opposite. organon, Democr. A. instrument, implement, tool, for making or doing a thing, S.Tr.905, cf. athērobrōtos; “logkhopoiōn organa” “polemika hopla te kai organa” Pl.R.374d, cf. Lg. 956a ; o.engine of war,
3. musical instrument, Simon.31, f.l. in A.Fr.57.1 ; ho men di' organōn ekēlei anthrōpous, of Marsyas, Pl.Smp.215c ; aneu organōn psilois logois ibid., cf. Plt.268b ; “o. polukhorda” Id.R.399c, al.; “met' ōdēs kai tinōn organōn”without any Adj., all that belongs to a complete outfit, house-gear, utensils, chattels, opp. live-stock and fixtures, hiera s. sacred vessels and implements, Th.2.13,
Plat. Rep. 601d that the same holds true of everything?” “What do you mean?” “That there are some three arts concerned with everything, the user's art,1 the maker's, and the imitator's.” “Yes.” “Now do not the excellence, the beauty, the rightness of every implement, living thing, and action refer solely to the use for which each is made or by nature adapted?” “That is so.” “It quite necessarily follows, then, that the user of anything is the one who knows most of it by experience, and that he reports to the maker the good or bad effects in use of the thing he uses.
Note 1 Auletes ho khromenos “In general those who do things for others know more about them than those for whom they are done. A groom knows more about horses than his master.”Aul-ētēs , ou, ho,A. flute-player, Thgn. 941, Hdt.1.141, 6.60, 129, Ar.V.581, And.1.12, Pl.Prt.327b, OGI51.62 (iii B. C.); Boeot. auleitas IG7.3195 (Orchom. Boeot.).II. kind of wasp, Hsch.III. au. huponomōn sanitary engineer,Here is The Table of Contents for Jay Guin.
To begin with Jay Guin will find no Biblical or church history that the Holy Spirit is a third member of a "family of gods." The Holy Spirit is the Spirit OF Christ and not a little person. This is the Spirit or Mind of God. There is only one God Being possible and remain in the Christian Discipline. The separate but equal status in these latter days intends to permit people to claim that they "see beyond the sacred page."
Jonathan Edward's view is the universal view prior to the pseudo-theologians on the lecture and book circuit:
No one before the neo-theologians dared call God a PERSON much less THREE PEOPLE. The Word was PERSONAE and the worst of blasphemy in the church fathers would be to cut up God like a pecan pie. That denies that Christ (God) came fully in the flesh that that means ANTI-Christ.(This I suppose to be the reason why we have never any account of the Holy Ghost's loving either the Father or the Son, or of the Son's or the Father's loving the Holy Ghost, or of the Holy Ghost's loving the saints, tho these things are so often predicated of both the other Persons.)
And this I suppose to be that blessed Trinity that we read of in the Holy Scriptures.
The Father is the Deity subsisting in the prime, un-originated and most absolute manner, or the Deity in its direct existence.
The Son is the Deity generated by God's understanding, or having an idea of Himself and subsisting in that idea.
The Holy Ghost is the Deity subsisting in act, or the Divine essence flowing out and breathed forth in God's Infinite love to and delight in Himself.
Many groups having freedom of expression in America set about to "restore" the New Testament church by simply removing all of the rituals and mandatory creedal statements which grew like moss over the centuries. The American Restoration Movement attracted many groups some of which--many as a product of too much wealth in the north as a result of the civil war -- imposed a radical form of music consistent with the wild frontier and the Great Awakenings.
One SECT developed after the year 1900 and first articulated a view of God in 1938-1942 by H.Leo Boles. Their dogma was that God was a FAMILY of three separated god persons (people) who were individual gods. The oneness of God universally taught by everyone meant that the GROUP of gods were on friendly terms. Nevertheless, some have defined the Father as incapable of organizing the messed up creation and required a Holy Spirit person to organize it. This is called Tritheism which is polytheism.
Jay represents this tritheism or polytheism and presents his book and invited responses. There is no way to respond on a blog so this is an invited review. Jay Guin has as support John Mark Hicks trying to twist Alexander Campbell into a trinitarian.
Pre postmodern history knows of no Spirit as a being in the sense of the modern word PERSON: a person has a being, will and personal consciousness SEPARATE from all other persons. No historic trinitarian sees Father, Son and Spirit as names of individuals and violently opposed the idea of representing the Spirit OF Christ as one of a triad family or community of god people. The word was personae which is not the same as person.
Perso-na (prosôpon. A mask; an artificial covering for the face worn among many peoples in all ages of history and for different purposes, but more frequently in Greece and Italy (1) for covering the faces of the dead and (2) by actors in theatrical performances.
A human being who performs any function.Phil 2:5 Your attitude [mind] should be the kind that was shown us by Jesus Christ,Prosopon Face or countenance of a person. To come before him, the face oof man or god, of dogs, of deer, of the moon, admit into one's presence, legal,means bodily presence.
1Th. 2:17 But we, brethren, being taken from you for a short time in presence, not in heart, endeavoured the more abundantly to see your face with great desire.
2Cor. 5:12 For we commend not ourselves again unto you, but give you occasion to glory on our behalf, that ye may have somewhat to answer them which glory in appearance, and not in heart.
While Christ was in the FORM of God, He laid aside that form and took on the form or schema of a human man
Phil 2:6 who, though he was God, did not demand and cling to his rights as God,
Phil 2:7 but laid aside his mighty power and glory, taking the disguise of a slave and becoming like men.The MIND that was in Christ who WAS God is the word:
Mind is: G5426 phroneo fron-eh'-o From G5424 ; to exercise the mind, that is, entertain or have a sentiment or opinion; by implication to be (mentally) disposed (more or less earnestly in a certain direction); intensively to interest oneself in (with concern or obedience):set the affection on, (be) care (-ful), (be like-, + be of
For US Paul equated the MIND of Christ to the Holy Spirit (1 Cor 2).
An interesting tid bit perhaps part of the SIGN OF JONAH?
2 Chr 35:22 But Josiah refused to turn back. Instead he led his army into the battle at the valley of Megiddo. (He laid aside his royal robes so that the enemy wouldn't recognize him.) Josiah refused to believe that Neco's message was from God.
Jona.3:6 For when the king of Nineveh heard what Jonah was saying,
.......... he stepped down from his throne,
.......... laid aside his royal robes,
.......... put on sackcloth, and sat in ashes.Tertullian one of the inventers of the word TRIAS:
Whom was he so afraid of as not plainly to declare,
The Spirit of God in this passage must be the same as the Word.
"God shall come upon you, and the Highest shall overshadow thee?"
Now, by saying "the Spirit of God" (although the Spirit of God is God,) and by not directly naming God,
he wished that portion of the whole Godhead to be understood,
which was about to retire into the designation of "the Son."
For just as, when John says, "The Word was made flesh,"
we understand the Spirit also in the mention of the Word:
so here, too, we acknowledge the Word likewise in the name of the Spirit.
For both the Spirit is the substance of the Word,
and the Word is the operation of the Spirit,
and the Two are One (and the same).
Now John must mean One when he speaks of Him as "having been made flesh,"
and the angel Another when he announces Him as "about to be born,"
if the Spirit is not the Word, and the Word the Spirit.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip?
he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?Jay Guin: When others say the Holy Spirit indwells a Christian, they mean that the Holy Spirit has a special, personal, effective relationship with the individual Christian that does not exist for non-Christians. The relationship is realized and felt in the Christian’s heart and mind, and thus is an internal, intimate, life-changing relationship—an actual indwelling. We will see whether the Bible uses the term in the same sense. The question is fundamentally one of faith, and the only authority in this matter is the Bible.
A Christian (baptized) has a special relationship with Jesus Christ THE HOLY SPIRIRT by obeying the direct command to PREACH the Word by READING the word.
Jay Guin also rejects the historic and Church of Christ view of baptism and therefore fails to understand the HOW that the spirit OF Christ whose name is "Jesus Christ the Righteous" transfers His Mind or Spirit through the written word.
When you see doves and hear words that does not mean that the Spirit IS a dove or that the voice came from ANOTHER person called Father.
Jn 12:28 Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.
Jn 12:29 The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him.
Jn 12:30 Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes.
Jn 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.G1544 ekballo ek-bal'-lo From G1537 and G906 ; to eject (literally or figuratively):--bring forth, cast (forth, out), drive (out), expel, leave, pluck (pull, take, thrust) out, put forth (out), send away (forth, out).Jn 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
Lucifer was cast as profane out of heaven with wind, string and percussion instruments. Using this word Jesus CAST OUT the musical minstrels .
Jn 12:33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.
Jn 12:45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.
Jn 12:46 I am come a light into the world,
that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
Jn 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not,
I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.Jn 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words,
hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken,
the same shall judge him in the last day.G114 atheteo ath-et-eh'-o From a compound of G1 (as a negative particle) and a derivative of G5087 ; to set aside, that is, (by implication) to disesteem, neutralize or violate: cast off, despise, disannul, frustrate, bring to nought, reject.
The Pharisees and doctors of the LAW REJECTED Jesus by rejecting His WORDS.
Luke 7:29 And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.
Luke 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected [G114] the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved.
He that believeth Not shall be DAMNED.apisteô to be apistos, and so, II. = apeitheô, to disobey, tini Hdt., attic: --absol. to be disobedient, refuse to comply
Jn 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Jn 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
One might begin with defining SPIRIT. Spirit never identifies a PERSON but the mind or mental disposition of that person. The Spirit OF Christ is the Mind of Christ (1 Cor 2). That does not teach that a little person lives inside of your carnal body but that the MIND of Christ dwells in your mind. And the Christ-ordained method of transfering His MIND is through His WORDS. That is why He could say
John 6:62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.ALL classical trinitarians defined Father, Son and Spirit (not names of people) as:
Father is the one God's Mind.
When the Father speaks a word, that is His SON. He begets His Word from His Mind
The Father breaths out His invisible, inaudible message or spritit meaning wind.
When that breath or spirit is articulated by the Son of God we hear the Word of God. Therefore, the real SON of God is defined as His Word. However, the one God always had His Word and Wisdom and Breath with Him. Word or Son is subbordinate as our words originate in our own mind.
The Word of God was WITH God because he WAS GOD just as my words are me and with me.
Psa. 33:6 By the [1] word of the [2] LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the [3] breath of his mouth.
Psa. 33:7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses.
Psa. 33:8 Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.
Psa. 33:9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.Jay Guin: A. The Spirit and the Word
Because many within the Churches of Christ believe the Holy Spirit only indwells Christians representatively, that is, through the Word, we must first consider the merit of this view. As we do so, we will often linger over a key passage to gain a deeper insight into the workings of God’s Spirit.
Again, Jay Guin is trying to make the Spirit OF Christ into another "god" being: this is called polytheism.
Until the rise of theologians most members of the Church of Christ believed that the Spirit OF God is God's Own Spirit and not a literal person. God's Word is personified and incarnated in Jesus Christ. Proverbs uses the word Wisdom: God's first creation--so to speak--began with His Wisdom say trinitarians. God's Wisdom is the Greek Sophia but we don't believe that God had a litteral daughter before He had a Son.
Before the 20th century everyone believed what the concept of "trinity" always meant which was not a three-people family of gods. You can see the very recent attempt to make the Godhead into a "family" so that we can make God the pattern for church as community or commune. John Mark Hicks documents this view first proposed to the world by H. Leo Boles of David Lipscomb College.
The understanding of the American Restoration Movement and the true Church of Christ understood the universal and historical trinity:
"For God is rational, and Reason was first in Him; and so all things were from Himself.
This Reason is His own Thought (or Consciousness) which the Greeks call logos, by which term we also designate Word or Discourse and therefore it is now usual with our people, owing to the mere simple interpretation of the term,
to say that the Word was in the beginning with God;
although it would be more suitable to regard Reason as the more ancient;because God had not Word from the beginning,
but He had Reason even before the beginning;because also Word itself consists of Reason, which it thus proves to have been the prior existence as being its own substance....
He became also the Son of God, and was begotten when He proceeded forth from Him
Whom was he so afraid of as not plainly to declare,
"God shall come upon you, and the Highest shall overshadow thee?"
Now, by saying "the Spirit of God" (although the Spirit of God is God,)
and by not directly naming God,
he wished that portion of the whole Godhead to be understood,
which was about to retire into the designation of "the Son."
The Spirit of God in this passage must be the same as the Word.
Now John must mean One when he speaks of Him as "having been made flesh,"
For just as, when John says, "The Word was made flesh,"
we understand the Spirit also in the mention of the Word:
so here, too, we acknowledge the Word likewise in the name of the Spirit.
For both the Spirit is the substance of the Word,
and the Word is the operation of the Spirit,
and the Two are One (and the same).
and the angel Another when he announces Him as "about to be born,"
if the Spirit is not the Word, and the Word the Spirit."Again--Some will say, What does the expression Holy Spirit mean? Well, in scripture it stands first for God the Holy Spirit, and secondly for the holy mind or spirit of a believer--for illustration, take Peter's words to Ananias, "Why has Satan tempted you to lie to the Holy Spirit; you have not lied to men, but to God," (the Holy Spirit.) And the Saviour says, How much more will your heavenly Father give a holy spirit (as it should be translated) to those that ask him. Again--Praying in a holy spirit. Again--Paul says he approved himself God's servant "by knowledge, by long sufferings, by kindness, by a holy spirit'" by a mind innocent of the love of gain, or commerce, or sensuality. Walter Scott Early Restoration Movement leader.In these latter days of the postmodern folly that theologians felt the need to relegate Father, Son and the Word to Christianity-Past and claim the power to see visions or hear audible voices to get an evolved Scripture for our evolved eyes and mind.
John Calvin
2. The three "Persons" in GodBut there is another special mark by which he designates himself, for the purpose of giving a more intimate knowledge of his nature. While he proclaims his unity, he distinctly sets it before us as existing in three persons. These we must hold, unless the bare and empty name of Deity merely is to flutter in our brain without any genuine knowledge.
Moreover, lest any one should dream of a threefold God,
or think that the simple essence is divided by the three Persons,
we must here seek a brief and easy definition which may effectually guard us from error.But as some strongly inveigh against the term Person as being merely of human inventions let us first consider how far they have any ground for doing so.
When the Apostle calls the Son of God "the express image of his person," (Heb. 1: 3,) he undoubtedly does assign to the Father some subsistence in which he differs from the Son. For to hold with some interpreters that the term is equivalent to essence, (as if Christ represented the substance of the Father like the impression of a seal upon wax) were not only harsh but absurd.
God did not SPLIT UP but God laid aside His Majesty and Glory as one puts of heavenly garments in order to be clothed as a human:
who, though he was God, did not demand and cling to his rights as God, Ph 2:6LIV
but laid aside his mighty power and glory,
taking the disguise of a slave and becoming like men. Ph 2:7When he ascended He sat down by that which He had laid aside to become human:
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Heb 1:3
Hupostasis (g5287) hoop-os'-tas-is; from a comp. of 5259 and 2476; a setting under (support), i.e. (fig.) concr. essence, or abstr. assurance (obj. or subj.): - confidence, confident, person, substance.
The idea of hupostasis means that Jesus is the SUPPORT or underpining. Jesus is that IMAGE of God which was seen and heard by approved apostles. Without validating Jesus as His Living Word and resurrecting Him as a visible person, the words of the apostles would have no more validity than preachers who get visions and hear audible voices.
The PARABLE is NOT that we should think that God IS A HUMAN which is the meaning of modern PERSON.
Heb. 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake
in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
[throught the spirit OF Christ 1 Petere 1:11; Rev 19:10]
Please note that the Spirit OF Christ did not define Christian doctrine THROUGH the kings or priests added as a CURSE to those who refused to hear the Spirit in the WordsHeb. 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son,
whom he hath appointed heir of all things,
by whom also he made the worlds;
When God spoke, His Word was His Son. His Word was not VISUALIZED during the creation. Jesus of Nazareth was the same "personified" Word as in the beginning but Jesus of Nazareth was of the seed of Abraham and did not exist until He was born.Heb. 1:3 Who being
the brightness of his glory, and
the express image of his person, [foundation or underpinning]
and upholding all things by the word of his power,
when he had by himself purged our sins,
sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
The underpinning UPHOLDS and is the foundation:Heb. 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels,
We are not to suppose that the GIVER of the Light is a PEOPLE.
as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Heb. 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ,
if we hold the beginning of our confidence [not a people] stedfast unto the end;
Heb. 3:15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice,
harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
Faith is NOT a person like a human:
Heb. 11:1 Now faith is
the substance [not a people] of things hoped for,
the evidence of things not seen.Literalists are forced to translate this:
Heb. 11:1 Now faith is
the PERSON of things hoped for,
the evidence of things not seen.This word is translated as the assurance or underpining of all things. If it speaks of a PERSON then it makes God either the FOUNDATION or maybe INFERIOR:
Hupo (g5259) hoop-o'; a prim. prep.; under, i.e. (with the gen.) of place (beneath), or with verbs (the agency or means, through); (with the acc.) of place (whither [underneath] or where [below]) or time (when [at]): - among, by, from, in, of, under, with. In comp. it retains the same gen. applications, espec. of inferior position or condition, and spec. covertly or moderately.
For the essence of God being simple and undivided, and contained in himself entire, in full perfection, without partition or diminution, it is improper, nay, ridiculous, to call it his express image, (charaktes.)
But because the Father, though distinguished by his own peculiar properties, has expressed himself wholly in the Son,
he is said with perfect reason to have rendered his person (hypostasis) manifest in him. And this aptly accords with what is immediately added, viz., that he is "the brightness of his glory."
The fair inference from the Apostle's words is, that there is a proper subsistence (hypostasis) of the Father, which shines refulgent in the Son. From this, again it is easy to infer that there is a subsistence (hypostasis) of the Son which distinguishes him from the Father.
Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou Blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? John 10:36
If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. John 10:37
But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe,that the Father is in me,
and I in him. John 10:38
Full invisible Deity Manifestations (personae)
Father in m Works Son of God
I in HIm Speaks History knows that the word TRIAS was adopted from paganism AFTER Arius began his teachings. Here is some Calvin to prove that these are RHETORICAL DEVICES to try to explain the false teaching. It is a fact that Calvin had given little thought to the nature of the SON and SPIRIT until after Servetus gave a much more scholarly definition. Calvin was never known as an ecclesiastical person but a civil leader and could not tolerate any challenges.
"The same holds in the case of the Holy Spirit; for we will immediately prove both that he is God, and that he has a separate subsistence from the Father. This, moreover, is not a distinction of essence, which it were impious to multiply. If credit, then, is given to the Apostle's testimony, it follows that there are three persons (hypostases) in God.
"That word meaning something as a foundation or assurance: Servetus argued that only Christ was a hypostases because only Christ was made known to the world.
The Latins having used the word Persona to express the same thing as the Greek "hupostatis", it betrays excessive fastidiousness and even perverseness to quarrel with the term. The most literal translation would be subsistence. Many have used substance in the same sense. Nor, indeed, was the use of the term Person confined to the Latin Church.
Substance is NEVER a PERSON but something on which faith subsists: a foundation.
"For the Greek Church in like manner, perhaps, for the purpose of testifying their consent, have taught that there are three "prosopa" (aspects) in God. All these, however, whether Greeks or Latins, though differing as to the word, are perfectly agreed in substance.
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Matt 28:18
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name (singular) of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Mt.28:19"Father, Son and Spirit are not three names but three aspects of God which are never separated.
I have no objections to adopt the definition of Tertullian, provided it is properly understood,
"that there is in God a certain arrangement or economy, which makes no change on the unity of essence." - Tertull. Lib. contra Praxeam.
TertullianThe object of our worship is the One God,
He who by His commanding word,
His arranging wisdom,
His mighty power,brought forth from nothing this entire mass of our world, with all its array of elements, bodies, spirits, for the glory of His majesty; whence also the Greeks have bestowed on it the name of Kosmos. The eye cannot see Him, though He is (spiritually) visible.
Power One God Word
Wisdom Jay Guin: There have been a number of publications by the non-indwelling school of thought to the effect that the Holy Spirit and the Word must be the same since they do the same things. Lists have been compiled by which it is shown that the Bible attributes the same roles to the Word and the Spirit. Thus, it is argued, they are indistinguishable.
Sorry about that but Jay will find that this is exactly what all classical "trinitarians" believed and taught about the ONE God and His own WORD incarnated in Jesus of Nazareth. For instance John Calvin on Continuing Revelation repudiates the ONLY reason that people believe that they have ONE THIRD OF GOD living inside of their carnal bodies.
All the Principles of Piety Subverted By Fanatics, Who Substitute Revelations For Scripture. (From Institutes of the Christian Religion Book One, Chapter Nine) or Here
Sections:
1. The temper and error of the Libertines, who take to themselves the name of spiritual, briefly described. Their refutation.(a). The Apostles and all true Christians have embraced the written Word. This confirmed by a passage in Isaiah; also by the example and words of Paul.
(b). The Spirit OF Christ seals the doctrine of the written Word on the minds of the godly.
(2) Refutation continued.
a) The impositions of Satan cannot be detected without the aid of the written Word. First Objection. The Answer to it.
3. Second Objection from the words of Paul as to the letter and spirit. The Answer, with an explanation of Paul's meaning. How the Spirit and the written Word are indissolubly connected.
1.The fanatics wrongly appeal to the Holy Spirit
Those who, rejecting Scripture, imagine that they have some peculiar way of penetrating to God, are to be deemed not so much under the influence of error as madness. For certain giddy men have lately appeared, who, while they make a great display of the superiority of the Spirit,
reject all reading of the Scriptures themselves, and deride the simplicity of those who only delight in what they call the dead and deadly letter.
But I wish they would tell me what spirit it is whose inspiration raises them to such a sublime height that they dare despise the doctrine of Scripture as mean and childish.
If they answer that it is the Spirit of Christ, their confidence is exceedingly ridiculous;
since they will, I presume, admit that the apostles and other believers in the primitive Church were not illuminated by any other Spirit.
None of these thereby learned to despise the word of God, but every one was imbued with greater reverence for it, as their writings most clearly testify.
And, indeed, it had been so foretold by the mouth of Isaiah. For when he says,
"My Spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the Lord, from henceforth and for ever,"
he does not tie down the ancient Church to external doctrine, as he were a mere teacher of elements; he rather shows that,
under the reign of Christ, the true and full felicity of the new Church will consist in their being ruled not less by the Word than by the Spirit of God.
Hence we infer that these miscreants are guilty of fearful sacrilege in tearing asunder what the prophet joins in indissoluble union.
Add to this, that Paul, though carried up even to the third heaven, ceased not to profit by the doctrine of the law and the prophets, while, in like manner, he exhorts Timothy, a teacher of singular excellence, to give attention to reading, (1 Tim. 4: 13.)
This is Paul's unique word for worship in Spirit and in Truth: give attention or give heed. This is the same word in Hebrew used by David when he "worshiped" and sang songs upon his bed and meditated in his heart.
And the eulogium which he pronounces on Scripture well deserves to be remembered, viz., that
"it is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfect," (2 Tim. 3: 16.)
What an infatuation of the devil, therefore, to fancy that Scripture, which conducts the sons of God to the final goal, is of transient and temporary use?
Again, I should like those people to tell me whether they have imbibed any other Spirit than that which Christ promised to his disciples. Though their madness is extreme, it will scarcely carry them the length of making this their boast.
But what kind of Spirit did our Saviour promise to send? One who should not speak of himself, (John 16: 13,)
but suggest and instil the truths which he himself had delivered through the word. Hence the office of the Spirit promised to us, is not to form new and unheard-of revelations, or to coin a new form of doctrine,
by which we may be led away from the received doctrine of the gospel,
but to seal on our minds the very doctrine which the gospel recommends.2. The Holy Spirit is recognized in his agreement with Scripture
Hence it is easy to understand that we must give diligent heed both to the reading and hearing of Scripture, if we would obtain any benefit from the Spirit of God, (just as Peter praises those who attentively study the doctrine of the prophets, (2 Pet. 1: 19,) though it might have been thought to be superseded after the gospel light arose,) and, on the contrary,
that any spirit which passes by the wisdom of God's Word, and suggests any other doctrine, is deservedly suspected of vanity and falsehood.
Since Satan transforms himself into an angel of light [knowledge], what authority can the Spirit have with us if he be not ascertained by an infallible mark? And assuredly he is pointed out to us by the Lord with sufficient clearness; but these miserable men err as if bent on their own destruction,
while they seek the Spirit from themselves rather than from Him.
Jay Guin: Let’s test this argument by reading a few passages. First, note this quote from John’s Gospel:
(John 14:16-17)
Summary: Jesus said "I" will come to you. Father and Son will dwell IN people who keep the commandments of Christ. At the same time the obedient beliver dwells IN the Father and Son. Therefore the word IN does not mean "inside of" but in connection with each as a mutually living in connection. The same John said that the "fuller" Comforter would have the name "Jesus Christ of Nazareth." When the Father sends the Spirit or the Son sends the Spirit the spirit will "bear the NAME of Jesus Christ." If one assumes that Jesus lied and could NOT put His Spirit or His Mind into His words then how could anyone believe that the Invisible, Inaudible Deity could fully indwell a body of flesh.
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever—the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.
In these verses, Jesus tells his apostles that after his resurrection God will send the Holy Spirit. The Spirit will certainly not be given only to the apostles or the First Century Christians—the Spirit is to be given “forever.” Moreover, the coming Spirit will neither be seen nor known by the world.
The missed verse in the promise of another (different in some respects) Comforter who was still named "Jesus of Nazareth" when HE appeared and SPOKE to Paul. He appeared to hundreds after His resurrection but only to the Apostles and Paul is Spirit. In the upper room the signs were wind and fire and to Paul a blinding light.
What Paul saw and heard called Himself Jesus of Nazareth.Jesus as the "son" said that the "father" was within him. The Son had no words but spoke what the "father" told him. Neither did the "spirit" speak on "its" own. That is why most if not all Trinitarians grasp John and say that the Son was the Word as in words of God. When God spoke His Words were His Son.
He promised the Apostles that "I will come to you."
What they saw and heard I take to be the same Jesus of Nazareth or Paul would be more honored.
John said that the Comforter was Jesus Christ.
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another [different but not heteros] Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
3875. parakletos, par-ak´-lay-tos; an intercessor, consoler: — advocate, comforter.
1John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
3875. parakletos, par-ak´-lay-tos; an intercessor, consoler: — advocate, comforter.
Jesus of Nazareth changed into His post-resurrection and glorified body is different from His body of flesh. However, HE is not two people. My spirit belongs to me
Then:
I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. John 14:18
Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me:
because I live, ye shall live also. John 14:19
At that day ye shall know that I am IN my Father,
and ye IN me,
and I IN you. John 14:20
That means something different than INSIDE OF.
When Jesus WENT to the FATHER he was metamorphosed or transfigured into the invisible spirit world. The same "father" or Mind of the invisible, inaudible Deity would be spirit and not flesh. Since Jesus said "my Father and I are one" (numerical) and the name of the Spirit OF Christ or the Spirit OF God would retain the same name. The NAME of father, son and spirit is Jesus Christ in the baptismal "formula" and therefore Peter baptized in the NAME Jesus Christ.
John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost,
whom the Father will send in my name, [Jesus Christ]
he shall teach you all things,
and bring all things to your remembrance,
whatsoever I have said unto you.If God who IS holy or Wholly Spirit in nature thought that mankind could HEAR His Words without an intercessor or mediator then Jesus would have died in vain. If Jesus as the incarnate WORD did not speak all that we need for life and Godlness then he utterly failed. If any human can HEAR the Spirit of God other than through the Word then he must have an EXTRA sense that the rest of us did not Get.
Peter defined the written "memory" as a way to MARK false teachers: if anyone rejects the facel to face revelation of Jesus Christ, validated by supernatural signs and gave Apostles to fill out the record of the Prophets then Peter wants everyone to know that in John Calvin's words THEY ARE FANATICS and not worthy of listening to.
Is. 59:10 We grope for the wall like the blind, and we grope as if we had no eyes: we stumble at noonday as in the night; we are in desolate places as dead men.This is fulfilled according to Paul:
Is. 59:11 We roar all like bears, and mourn sore like doves: we look for judgment, but there is none; for salvation, but it is far off from us.
Is. 59:12 For our transgressions are multiplied before thee, and our sins testify against us: for our transgressions are with us; and as for our iniquities, we know them;
Is. 59:13 In transgressing and lying against the LORD,
and departing away from our God,
speaking oppression and revolt,
conceiving and uttering from the heart words of falsehood.
Is. 59:14 And judgment is turned away backward,
and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter.
Is. 59:15 Yea, truth faileth;
and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey:
and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment.
Is. 59:16 And he saw that there was no man,
and wondered that there was no intercessor:
therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him.
Is. 59:17 For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head;
and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing,
and was clad with zeal as a cloke.
Is. 59:18 According to their deeds, accordingly he will repay, fury to his adversaries, recompence to his enemies;
to the islands he will repay recompence.
Is. 59:19 So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun.
When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.
Is. 59:20 And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.
Eph. 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
Eph. 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Eph. 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers,
against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Pale (g3823) pal'-ay; from pallo, (to vibrate; another form for 906); wrestling: - / wrestle
Pallô, poise, sway a missile before it is thrown, sway, brandish, she drove it furiously, tripped on the shield-rim, quiver, leap, esp. in fear, II. Pass., swing, dash oneself, Pi.N.5.21; vibrate, of strings, Pl.Phd.94c (psalloito ap. Stob.); skirtêtikon kai pallomenon to neon (etym. of Pallas) Corn.ND20, cf. Pl.Cra. 407a. III. intr., leap, bound, E.El.435, Ar.Lys.1304 (lyr.); [p. 1294] quiver, quake, phrena deimati pallôn S.OT153 (lyr.); dash along, of horses, E.El.477 (lyr.).The DARKNESS imposed on Israel because of spiritual idolatry CLAIMING that music could call down their gods was The Law of Moses and later the Civil-Military-Priestly complex the Spirit of Christ in the prophets called robbers and parasites:
G4639 skia skee'-ah Apparently a primary word; “shade” or a shadow (literally or figuratively [darkness of error or an adumbration]):—shadow.
A Shadow is something truly Evil:
G4639 skia skee'-ah Apparently a primary word; “shade” or a shadow (literally or figuratively [darkness of error or an adumbration]):--shadow.
Skia
2. reflection, image (in a bowl of oil), Sch.Il.17.755.
3. shade of one dead, phantom, Od.10.495, A.Th.992,
of worthless things, that phantom at Delphi, of the Amphictyonic council, D.5.25; hai tou dikaiou s. mere shadows of .
4. evil spirit, Hippiatr.130, PMasp.188.5
also, of one worn to a shadow, A.Eu.302;
Ezek 22:28 And her prophets have
daubed them with untempered [Taphel, Tabret, frivolity] morter,
seeing vanity, and divining lies [magical songs] unto them, saying,
Thus saith the Lord God, when the Lord hath not spoken.
Latin: Vānus Ghost, emptiness, nothingness, naught, of persons, show, false, lying, deceptive, delusive, untrustworth, vainglorious, ostentatious, boastful, vain, weak, wavering.
Vanitas B. Esp., falsity, falsehood, deception, untruth, untrustworthiness, fickleness, magice I. the magic art, magic, sorcery (post-Aug.): pariter utrasque artes effloruisse, medicinam [p. 1097] dico magicenqu. Similar to Rythmice I. the art of observing rhythm
Magica Vanities: This is the Garden of Eden Story. Which is the Lucifer-Zoe story etal.
măgĭcus , I.of or belonging to magic, magic, magical , Skilled in INCANTATONS
magicae resonant ubi Memnone chordae, Memnon is I.son of Tithonus and Aurora: The black marble statue of Memnon, near Thebes, when struck by the first beams of the sun [Lucifer Rising], gave forth a sound like that of a lute-string, which was regarded as Memnon's greeting to his motherWe simply have nothing to bring to the battle specificially against those who CLAIM to use music as their weapon when all of the Bible claims that Satan uses the performing or hypocritic arts and crafty crafts claiming that the HOLY SPIRIT told them to deliberately discord churches.Eph. 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Eph. 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
Eph. 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Eph. 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Eph. 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:In John 14 Jesus makes it IMPOSSIBLE to misunderstand EXCEPT to those He refused to reveal the Father Who was WITHIN.
There is no Classical Trinitarian who does not teach this:If ye had known me,
ye should have known my Father also:
and from henceforth ye know him,
and have seen him. John 14:7
That is because there is only ONE Divine Being: Jesus was filled with FULL DEITY.
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Here is why some may STILL preach a pagan Triad or Family of Gods which gave rise to the Family of God (churches) because God "got lonely and NEEDED community."
Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands,
in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through
the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
He has just told you that if you have seen the SON then you have seen the FATHER because "I and the Father are ONE." No, they are not on friendly terms: there is only ONE God.
Philip SETS UP Jesus' REPUDIATION of a "Father" as a person separated from the "son" or "mother."
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. John 14:8
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you,
and yet hast thou not known me, Philip?
he that hath seen ME hath seen the Father;
and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? John 14:9
Father Thought Jesus Son Word God With Us
Spirit Breath
In these views Father THINKS, Son SPEAKS and Spirit (breath) breathes forth the word. Never forget that Jesus spoke to the BRIGHT LIGHTS in parables to PREVENT them from getting control of the SPIRIT and retailing it as Isaiah 48 makes clear.
Here is the confirmation by Jesus as SON who speaks what the FATHER thinks:
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?
the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself:
but the Father that dwelleth IN me, he doeth the works. John 14:10
Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works sake. John 14:11
How very evil is it to use human imagination to concoct an IDOL of God as three MEN able to stand face to face or side by side to consult with one another in a COMMUNITY of Gods!
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. John 14:12
Works means ERGS or the expenditure of suffering and sweat and blood: No, you do not hear the voice of God because NO MAN HEARETH God and that is why GOD came to us with vocal cords.
And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do,
that the Father may be glorified in the Son. John 14:13
If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it. John 14:14
That is why Peter understood baptism in the NAME of "father, son and spirit" meant baptize in the NAME of Jesus Christ (Jehovah-saves)
Note the conditional IF:
If ye love me, keep my commandments. John 14:15This is why people get lost in the context and claim that Jesus is ONE comforter and the Holy Spirit Person is ANOTHER Comforter. But, we say in Isaiah 59 that God sent His ARM or SEED as the ONE Intercessor. Why? Because it was not then nor now possible for a human to hear the inaudible and see the unseeable.
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another [fuller] Comforter,
THAT he may abide with you for ever; John 14:16
Because the NAME of the "another Comforter" according to the same John is "Jesus Christ the Righteous" the word ANOTHER is not heteros or DIFFERENT but the same in many respects.Allêlôn , Aeol. and Dor.
allalôn , gen. pl., dua. allêloin, Ep. A.allêloiïnIl.10.65 , fem. -ain X.Mem.2.3.18 codd.: dat. allêlois, ais, ois, dual allêloin: acc. allêlous, as, a, dual allêlô (fem.) X.Mem. 2.3.18, cf. LXX Ge.15.10, al.: the dual is rare in Prose : sg., keramhô harmottontipros allêlon IG2.1054.59 : (redupl. from allos) :--of one another, to one another, one another; hence, mutually, reciprocally, used of all three persons, Il.4.62, Od.1.209, etc.: freq with Preps., enallêloisi among one another, Pi.P.4.223,etc.; toutô..enallêlaisiA.Pers.188 ; prosallêlous, eisallêla, Id.Pr.491,1086 ; epi, prosallêlois, Od.22.389, A.Pers.506, Ag.654; exallêlôn X.Mem. 4.4.23 ; kuklhô kaiexallêlôndeiknusthai Arist.APr.57b18 ; par'allêlous, -a, Pl.Grg.472c, Phdr.264b ; hêdi'allêlôndeixisreciprocal proof, Arist.APr.59a32,cf.D.L.9.89, etc.; met'allêlôn Arist.Pr. 953b32 ; proshautakaiprosallêla Pl. grg. 451c ; hup'allêlônA.Th. 821heautous, -ôn, Il.12.105, Th.2.70, E.Fr.1124.) (Wrongly interpreted by Gramm. as
Gen. 15:10 And he took unto him all these, and divided them in the midst, and laid each piece one against another: but the birds divided he not.
243. allos, al´-los; a primary word; “else,” i.e. different (in many applications): — more, one (another), (an-, some an-)other(-s, -wise). Allos allo kai allo one thing after another
240. allelon, al-lay´-lone; Genitive plural from 243 reduplicated; one another: -- each other, mutual, one another, (the other), (them-, your-)selves, (selves) together
Jesus as man was not immortal: his life was limited but as SPIRIT He can abide with us always. IF we REPUDIATE Jesus the Christ of God by claiming that the SPIRIT tells us to lie about the Word of Christ we MARK that person as one of the generation of Vipers or a Crooked generation MARKED by their musical styles along with the dogs and wolves.
Jay Guin: Jesus is our Counselor, and the Spirit is another Counselor. The Greek word translated Counselor is the same word used for a defense attorney. It is literally “one who stands beside” to give comfort or counsel.
No: there is only ONE Intercessor or Counselor at a time: otherwise "they" might get confused. Another does not mean ONE MORE BESIDES ME.
What is the NAME of this "fuller" Comforter?
1Jn.2:1 MY little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate [comforter] with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
Is HE another little person to fit in your carnal body? NO. Spirit is PERSONIFIED and CODIFIED:
Even the Spirit OF truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him:
but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. John 14:17I am not aware of a book in the "brotherhood" on the Holy Spirit which can quote this verse.
I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. John 14:18
Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. John 14:19
At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. John 14:20Jay Guin: Some translations call the Spirit the “Comforter.” And the word refers to a person, not a book.
The Spiritual Being as Comforter is "Jesus Christ the Righteous." He claimed that His Words were His Spirit or His Mind: He never speaks of another PERSON. Because the Spirit is equated to the Word or that which is written in the NEVER musical passages, when we read the Words we hear the Voice of the invisible Spirit Christ all over the world at the same time.
However, Paul defined the only COLLECTIVE task of the ekklesia or synagogue as a school of the Bible. It has NO OTHER assignment which might call for a BETTER set of instructions because WE have evolved.
In Romans 14 Paul outlaws doubtful disputations which might arise out of the human imagination to enable the synagogue in Romans 15 which SPECIFICIALLY SAYS that Scripture has been left to be our COMFORTER!
Rom. 15:1 We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves.
Rom. 15:2 Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification. [education]
Rom. 15:3 For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me.
Rom. 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime
were written for our learning,
that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
Rom. 15:5 Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:
Rom. 15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Rom. 15:7 Wherefore receive ye one another, as Christ also received us to the glory of God.Jay Guin: And Jesus himself speaks of sending “him,” not “it.” Moreover, the Spirit that Jesus is to send forever can be seen and known by Christians but not non-Christians. How can this be a description of the Bible? Many lost people own and diligently study the Bible. Jesus says that only Christians possess and experience the indwelling of the Spirit.
Paul Tillich wrote:
"The Spirit is sometimes personified in the Bible, as in John 16:7-8, and this has led many to believe that it is a person. They do so because they do not take into account an idiom of the original Greek language. In Greek, inanimate objects which in English would be couched in the neuter gender, are given a masculine or feminine gender, if those objects are identified with any particular individual. ' For example, a chair is described as "it" in English, because it is neuter, being neither masculine nor feminine. But in Greek that chair can be identified with its owner. If it belongs to me, the chair is described as he; if it belongs to my wife, as she. Click Here.
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. John 16:13
He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. John 16:14"For this reason, the Holy Spirit has frequently been personified in Scripture, identifying it with God, and so it is personified as he.
"However, if the Holy Spirit were actually a person it should be rendered as he in every place where the word is referred to; but it is not. It is sometimes rendered in the neuter. In Romans 8:16, Paul writes: "The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit." The neuter, itself is used, and this is in accord with the Greek text, as any Greek scholar will acknowledge.
"To personify inanimate objects is normal in Scripture. Wisdom is represented as a woman (Proverbs 9:1), mammon is described as a friend (Luke 16:9), sin is personified as a slave-owner (Romans 6:16), the Holy Spirit as a comforter (John 14:26), expressing the spirit of Truth. So Micah declared: "I am full of power by the spirit of the Lord" (Micah 3:8). The prophets were moved by the spirit to record the Scriptures (Nehemiah 9:20; 2 Peter 1:21), and God used the same means to speak to Israel through His Son (Hebrews 1: 1). For the rest of the quote Click Here.
"Personification.-- This is a figure of speech by which inanimate beings are spoken of as animated, or endowed with life and volition; animals are endowed with feelings akin to those of men.
"This is well suited to an imaginary condition of mind, and therefore frequently employed in Hebrew Scriptures. Indeed, it is now a staple in the market of communication, and we use it so commonly ourselves that whe have almost ceasted to speak of it as a figure of speech." (Prof. D. R. Dungan, Hermeneutics, p. 324, Gospel Light Publishing)"Holy" is an adjective and not a name. Holy means Wholly. A Spirit is not a "person" in any sense because a spirit does not have flesh and blood and bones. The use of GHOST is unfortunate because a spirit is what is left over after a PERSON is dead.
Spirit may be personified but a Spirit in both Hebrew, Greek and the universal use in the literature means the "mental disposition of a human" or it speaks of God who is WHOLLY Spirit.
The NAME of The Holy Spirit or the Spirit OF God or the Spirit OF Christ is 'Jesus Christ the righteous.' The use of the word person
A Spirit cannot have a soul because soul defines the "living" as in a "living body" and the Spirit is not made of body, soul and spirit.
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:
the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. John 6:63
Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and
were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia, Acts 16:6After they were come to Mysia, they assayed to go into Bithynia: but the Spirit suffered them not. Acts 16:7That is because no historical scholarship knows of a SPIRIT which is not the Spirit OF Jesus Christ.
When they came to the border of Mysia, they tried to enter Bithynia, but the Spirit of Jesus would not allow them to. Acts 16:7NIV, NAS, RSV, LIV
But even unto this day, when Moses is read [preached in the synagogue], the vail is upon their heart. 2 Cor 3:15Nevertheless, when it shall turn [convert=be baptized] to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. 2 Cor 3:16Peter confirmed that the Day Star will not arise in your hearts unless you "take heed" to that which has been written by him as an eye witness.
Now the Lord IS that Spirit: and where the Spirit OF the Lord is, there is liberty. 2 Cor 3:17
But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory OF the Lord,
are changed into the same image from glory to glory,
even as by the Spirit OF the Lord. 2 Cor 3:18
Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently,
who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: 1 Peter 1: 10
Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit OF Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 1 Peter 1:2 Pet 1:18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
2 Pet 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant,
and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God:
for the testimony OF Jesus IS the spirit OF prophecy. Rev 19:10
Whatever we say about the Holy Spirit is it all also true if we honor Him with His name: Jesus Christ the righteous. The TASK of the ekklesia or synagogue even in the wilderness has the ONLY resource for the Christian System: you do not have to be a Christian or a disciple of Christ: you can be a ceremonial legalists and VIOLATE the fact that Jesus died to remove the laded burden and laded burdens all of which connected directly to the musical/ theatrical arts. The task of the ekklesia is to read and discuss the Word and it has no NEED for further revelation. It is ONLY those who refuse to conduct what the Campbells called A SCHOOL OF CHRIST who need something "beyond the sacred page. There can be NO change in culture which demands an UPDATE by those who cannot read the text.
B. JOHN 3
Jay Guin: John’s Gospel is an especially important source of information about the Holy Spirit. The coming of the Spirit is a major theme of this book. For example, when Jesus is approached by Nicodemus, Jesus tells him about the nature of the new birth: (John 3:5-8) Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again: The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.” Jesus tells us that the Spirit gives birth to Spirit. The New International Version translators capitalized “Spirit” only in the first reference, but in the First Century, Greek was written entirely in capital letters. There was no difference in the capitalization in John’s own writing. Jesus’ parallel is that the Spirit gives birth to Spirit just as flesh gives birth to flesh. Those born of the flesh have the nature of the flesh. Those born of the Spirit have the nature of the Spirit. When you are born again, you are born of the Spirit and you become a Spiritual being. The Spirit affects your very nature, just as being born of the flesh defined your nature as a fleshly being.
John was already a MAN and already born of the FLESH: Amniotic fluid is not water. A grown man needs to be born AGAIN. The expression born of water and spirit is identified as water baptism by most scholars. After that baptism in water God removes sin from OUR spirit and we therefore have A holy spirit. The same Peter said that BAPTISM SAVES US because it is our calling on the name of the Lord to REQUEST a good conscience. Therefore, A good conscience is OURS and A holy spirit is ours. With our sanctified human spirit the Word of God can indwell and Jesus said my WORDS are SPIRIT.
Eph. 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;John 3 begins:
Eph. 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
Eph. 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing;
but that it should be holy and without blemish.
John 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:THE LATIN WORDS.
John 3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him,
Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God:
for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee,
Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
John 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old?
can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born
Nicodemus understood the word to mean AGAIN as in AGAIN.
Anothen
In the only sense of born from above:
Aeschylus, Agamemnon 1577. Hail gracious light of the day of retribution! At last the hour has come when I can say that the gods who avenge mortal men look down from on high upon the crimes of earth.
[1580] Now that, to my joy, I behold this man lying here in a robe spun by the Avenging Spirits and making full payment for the deeds contrived in craft by his father's handAnothen 3. over again, anew, afresh, philian a. poieitaiJ.AJ1.18.3 , Artem.1.14, cf. Ev.Jo.3.3; palin a. Ep.Gal.4.9
Palin II. 1. of Place, back, backwards of Time, again, once more,
Gal. 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
Josephus 1. But Abimelech, thinking in opposition to him, while their living made them suspicious of each other, and retiring showing a secret enmity also, he was afraid that his former friendship with Isaac would not secure him, if Isaac should endeavor the injuries he had formerly offered him; he therefore renewed his friendship with him, Philoc, one of his generals.
Gal 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
Gal 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God,
how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
G1994 epistrephō ep-ee-stref'-o From G1909 and G4762 ; to revert (literally, figuratively or morally):come (go) again, convert, (re-) turn (about, again).
Palig-genesia , hê, rebirth, regeneration, of the world, palingenesias hêgemones,
of Noah and his sons, of persons, beginning of a new life,
II. in Roman Law, = restitutio natalium, (“reinstating”). A term applied by the Romans to the cancelling of a legal decision, especially to the restoration of rights of citizenship forfeited by condemnation in a criminal court. Under the Republic this restoration could be legally obtained only by a vote of the people. Under the Empire, the emperor alone possessed the privilege of granting it.
III. in NT.,1. resurrection, Ev.Matt.19.28.
2. regeneration by baptism, dia loutrou palingenesias Ep.Tit.3.5 .
Galatians 3.[8] However at that time, not knowing God, you were in bondage to those who by nature are not gods.[9] But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, why do you turn back again to the weak and miserable elements, to which you desire to be in bondage all over again?
Denuo nouveau I. anew, afresh, again, I. Of the restoration of a thing which has been destroyed, = anew, afresh KainosA.new, fresh, A new man John 3:7 VulgateJohn 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh;
and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.Same as DENUDO so we are CLOTHED WITH CHRIST when we are BAPTIZED (Gal 3;26-27). Means a voluntary turning, of the intellect.John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Possum "to be able, have power."
Video to see, perceive, with the eyes, A. In gen., to see with the mind's eye, to perceive, mark, observe, discern, understand, comprehend, be aware, know,
Spiritus 2.The breath of a god, inspiration:haec fieri non possent, nisi ea uno divino et continuato spiritu continerentur, by a divine inspiration, Cic. N. D. 2, 7, 19 ; 3, 11, 28; cf.:poëtam quasi divino quodam spiritu inflari, id. Arch. 8, 18 .-
2. Spiritus, personified, a spirit (Late Latin).
Spirit speaks of the BREATH of God and never of a THIRD MEMBER of the God family. When we speak the WORDS of God they are the SPIRIT of MIND of God. Therefore, they are not a gust of wind but the very POWER of God unto salvation.
Born:
G1080 gennao ghen-nah'-o From a variation of G1085 ;
to procreate (properly of the father, but by extension of the mother);
figuratively to regenerate:--bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make, spring.
AGAIN rarely means FROM ABOVE but AGAIN as in the word AGAIN.
The phrase: to gennêthen phusei pros to gennêsan
Genn-aô beget, bring forth, engender, call into existence
Phuo 1 Act.:--bring forth, produce, put forth, 2. beget, engender, get understanding,
Pros in the direction of
Genn-aô beget, bring forth, engender, call into existence
G509 anothen an'-o-then From G507 ;
from above;
by analogy from the first; [nativity, REgeneration]
by implication anew:
from above, again, from the beginning (very first), the top.
KJV (13) - again, 2; from above, 5; from the beginning, 1; from the first, 1; not tr, 1; top, 3;
NAS (12) - above, 5; again, 2; all over, 1; beginning, 1; long time, 1; top, 2;
Deut XXX WEB. It shall happen, when all these things are come on you, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before you, and you shall call them to mind among all the nations, where Yahweh your God has driven you,
[2] and shall return to Yahweh your God, and shall obey his voice according to all that I command you this day, you and your children, with all your heart, and with all your soul;
[3] that then Yahweh your God will turn your captivity, and have compassion on you, and will return and gather you from all the peoples, where Yahweh your God has scattered you.
Judith 5: 17 "As long as they did not sin against their God they prospered, for the God who hates iniquity is with them. 18 But when they departed from the way he had prescribed for them, they were utterly defeated in many battles and were led away captive to a foreign land. The temple of their God was razed to the ground, and their towns were occupied by their enemies. 19 But now they have returned to their God, and have come back from the places where they were scattered, and have occupied Jerusalem, where their sanctuary is, and have settled in the hill country, because it was uninhabited.
Jn 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him,
Verily, verily, I say unto thee,
Except a MAN be born AGAIN
he cannot see the kingdom of God.
It is not possible to miss what Jesus said:
A MAN must be born AGAIN to SEE the kingdom.
The parallelism is
A MAN must be [future] born of H20 and Spirit.
Jn 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him,
How can a MAN be born when he is OLD?
can he enter the second time into his
mother's womb, and be born?Jn 3:5 Jesus answered,
Verily, verily, I say unto thee,
Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit,
he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.It insults Jesus to have him say that you cannot enter the kingdom until you are BIRTHED Refreshing : Andronikos (g408) an-dron'-ee-kos; from 435 and 3534; man of victory [Nike]This defines a NEW BIRTH or returning to one's nativity. It also means our Adoption which always included baptism, a new name and new clothing.
Na-ti-vitasI. birth, nativity, municipem aut nativitas aut adoptio.
2. A generation: usque ad quartam nativitatem, Tert. adv. Marc. 4, 27 fin.
adoptio
The word conversion includes repentance but it means the same things as returning to our nativity.Jay Guin: C. 2 Corinthians 3 Next, note this passage from 2 Corinthians: 3
Epi-strephô , pf.
c. Philos., cause to return to the source of Being, tinas eis ta enantia kai ta prôta
Proteros and prôtos II. of Time, former, earlier, children by the first or a former marriage,
Prosthhen in front, before, formerly, of place and of time;
Jay Guin: I will consistently capitalize Spirit when I am referring to the Holy Spirit and Word when I am referring to the Word of God. Neither the New International Version of the Bible nor the King James Version always follow this capitalization, and so the quoted verses may follow different capitalization conventions.
Older text used unical script or upper case. However, the Calvinists of the KJV did commentary when they made their OWN decision about whether the text was speaking of Spirit as the Mind of God or spirit which is always the "mental disposition of a Being." The Calvinists did not think of the Spirit OF Christ as another member of the Godhead. One of the facts of scholarship is that Paul never uses Spirit in the sense of another Divine Being separated from Father or Son none of which are NAMES.
LETTER is THE LAW OF MOSES: SPIRIT is THE FAITH or THE GOSPEL. God MINISTERS Spirit through PREACHING the gospel. Peter wrote his MEMORIES which had been attested by God in the flesh. He literally DARED anyone to speak anything out of their own MIND which is rarely spiritual meaning "rational." This would MARK the mind-speakers as FALSE TEACHERS as the False Prophets always SEED PICKED the Spirit of Christ.
God, through Zechariah, shows how people so damage their spirits that they no longer belong to God. Therefore, as He did the nation of Israel, He allowed them to walk in their own ways and worship like the nations.
But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear. Zechariah 7:11
They made their hearts as hard as flint and would not listen to the law or to the words that
the LORD Almighty had sent by his Spirit through the earlier prophets. So the LORD Almighty was very angry. Zechariah 7:12Therefore it is come to pass, that
as he cried, and they would not hear;
so they cried, and I would not hear,
saith the Lord of hosts: Zechariah 7:13The prophets with the power of the Spirit or Mind of Christ were ministering the Spirit through the Word. Peter says that they were--
Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify,The human spirit is the human mind which is a heart of FLESH. John Calvin said that speaks to us as a DIRECT OPERATION: he said that God gave us the SCRIPTURES and He sent Preachers because the POWER in in the Gospel. Therefore, you transfer the Spirit OF Christ or the Mind of Christ by PREACHING. What more could you ask?
when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 1 Peter 1:1
H7307 rûach roo'-akh From H7306 ; wind;
by resemblance breath, that is, a sensible (or even violent) exhalation;
figuratively life, anger, unsubstantiality;
by extension a region of the sky;
by resemblance spirit,
but only OF a rational being (including its expression and functions):
air, anger, blast, breath, cool, courage, mind,
Jay Guin: (2 Cor. 3:3) You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.
If the Spirit operates only through the Word, how can Paul say that the Corinthians are a letter written with the Spirit and “not with ink”?
(2 Cor. 3:4-6) Such confidence as this is ours through Christ before God. Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for ourselves, but our competence comes from God. He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
The Law of Moses was IMPOSED because The Book of The Covenant of Grace was proven not to be written on their heart of FLESH or their own spirit or Mind.
Ezek. 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:Peter promised that after God washes away sin from OUR human spiri it will be REgenerated and therefore "born again." The MARK of that new spirit or mind or mental disposition is:
Ezek. 11:20 That they mayJesus said "My Words are Spirit and Life" John 6:63 and the only POWER is the good news of being freed from the race of vipers or crooked race. Therefore, the only way to MINISTER that "spirit" is by teaching Spirit words.
walk in my statutes,
and keep mine ordinances,
and do them:
and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.
Paul confirms that there is no "singing" or "sermonizing" in the synagogue or ekklesia:THE LAW: But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 2 Cor. 3:7
THE FAITH, THE GOSPEL, THE SPIRIT: How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 2 Cor. 3:8
For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. 2 Cor. 3:9
For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. 2 Cor. 3:10
For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious. 2 Cor. 3:11
Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: 2 Cor. 3:12
And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: 2 Cor. 3:13But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth
But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. 2 Cor. 3:15
.........the same vail untaken away
.........in the reading of the old testament;
.........which vail is done away in Christ. 2 Cor. 3:14
Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every cityThat is why preaching and singing CAUSES people to be starved to death for lack of THE WORD.
them that preach him,
being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
Nevertheless, when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. 2 Cor. 3:16Turn or converted and baptism result in the same thing:
Until you are CONVERTED you will not be able to read WHOLE THOUGHT PATTERNS written in BLACK INK on WHITE paper.THE SPIRIT IS MINISTERED BY TEACHING THE WORD:
Epi-strephô , pf."Calling on the Name of the Lord" means to DO THY WILL. Being CONVERTED means that you RETURN and obey all that God has commanded you..
c. Philos., cause to return to the source of Being, tinas eis ta enantia kai ta prôta
Proteros and prôtos II. of Time, former, earlier, children by the first or a former marriage,
Prosthhen in front, before, formerly, of place and of time;
to gennêthen phusei pros to gennêsan
Genn-aô beget, bring forth, engender, call into existence
Phuo 1 Act.:--bring forth, produce, put forth, 2. beget, engender, get understanding,
Pros in the direction of
Genn-aô beget, bring forth, engender, call into existence
Deut XXX WEB. It shall happen, when all these things are come on you, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before you, and you shall call them to mind among all the nations, where Yahweh your God has driven you,
[2] and shall RETURN to Yahweh your God, and shall OBEY his voice according to all that I command you this day, you and your children, with all your heart, and with all your soul;
[3] that then Yahweh your God will turn your captivity, and have compassion on you, and will return and gather you from all the peoples, where Yahweh your God has scattered you.
To the Galatians, Paul shows that receiving the Spirit is not by external works (singing, dancing, chanting, pleading for God to save you), but by hearing and believing the message of and about Christ:O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes
......... Jesus Christ hath been
......... evidently set forth, crucified among you? Galatians 3:1This only would I learn of you,
......... Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law,
......... or (Received ye the Spirit) by the hearing of faith? Galatians 3:2Paul MINISTERED the Spirit through preaching: they received the Spirit by listening. Therefore, Paul was not ministering a THIRD PERSON. Luther in Law and Gospel wrote:
"But Paul says that the Spirit, through his preaching, has wrought in the hearts of his Corinthians, to the end that Christ lives and is mighty in them. After such statement he bursts into praise of the ministerial office, comparing the message, or preaching, of Moses with that of himself and the apostles. He says:
"Such confidence have we through Christ to Godward: not that we are sufficient of ourselves, to account anything as from ourselves; but our sufficiency is from God.
8. These words are blows and thrusts for the false apostles [PAGE 227] and preachers. Paul is mortal enemy to the blockheads who make great boast,
pretending to what they do not possess and to what they cannot do;
who boast of having the Spirit in great measure; who are ready to counsel and aid the whole world;who pride themselves on the ability to invent something new. It is to be a surpassingly precious and heavenly thing they are to spin out of their heads, as the dreams of pope and monks have been in time past.
"We do not so," says Paul. "We rely not upon ourselves or our wisdom and ability. We preach not what we have ourselves invented. But this is our boast and trust in Christ before God,
that we have made of you a divine epistle; have written upon your hearts,not our thoughts, but the Word of God.
We are not, however, glorifying our own power, but the works and the power of him who has called and equipped us for such an office; from whom proceeds all you have heard and believed.
9. It is a glory which every preacher may claim, to be able to say with full confidence of heart:
........... "This trust have I toward God in Christ, that what I teach and preach is truly the Word of God."There is a role for PROFESSORS and Rhetoricians and Sophists but we quoted Luther above to say that it WAS NOT of ANY value in the spiritual realm: that is why Jesus repudiated the Doctors of the Law who might go and make a living in Canon Law:
In short, let him who would be wise, who would boast of great skill, talents and power, confine himself to things other than spiritual;
Now the Lord IS that Spirit: and where the Spirit OF the Lord is, there is liberty. 2 Cor. 3:17One of the clear definitions in the Greek writers is that the LETTER is the written text: the SPIRIT is understanding the meaning of the text. For instance, Paul commands that we SPEAK the word and Jay reads MAKE MUSIC.
But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord. 2 Cor. 3:18
Jay Guin: Paul now goes much further and tells the Corinthians that there is a very big difference between God’s Word acting alone and God’s Spirit—the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. The new covenant, the gospel, is “of the Spirit,” and it is not “of the letter.”
For a Word-only Christian, this cannot make sense. Don’t even try to argue that Paul is talking about the special gifts of the Spirit discussed in 1 Corinthians 12-14. Paul says that all the Corinthians are written with the Spirit on tablets of the human heart. Certainly not all Corinthians had special gifts. After all, many Corinthians were surely added to the church long after Paul had left.
Rhetoric commentary‘Vexed at this, and thinking life intolerable at the price, he is said to have ventured to propose a law, that if any one deprived a one-eyed man of an eye, he should lose both his own in return, that the loss of each might be equalized’. This is a case of epieikeia, the spirit of the law rectifying the imperfection of the letter. Rhet. I 13. 13--19.JOHN CALVIN IS THE "FATHER" OF FAITH ONLY REQUIRING A SUPERNATURAL OPERATION.
Resolved.--Fourthly that we entertain a high sense of the Honor of a Military Parole, and the virtuous and delicate use that ought to be made of it. as likewise the necessity and the Propriety of a strict and exemplary neutrality, as long as we remain under the British Flag and are protected in our persons and property agreeable to the true spirit and Letter of the Articles of Capitulation.
What Calvin said is that God performed two direct operations by which we gain faith: He gave us the Scriptures and sent Evangelists OUT to preach.
1.The fanatics wrongly appeal to the Holy Spirit
Those who, rejecting Scripture, imagine that they have some peculiar way of penetrating to God, are to be deemed not so much under the influence of error as madness. For certain giddy men have lately appeared, who, while they make a great display of the superiority of the Spirit,
reject all reading of the Scriptures themselves, and deride the simplicity of those who only delight in what they call the dead and deadly letter.
But I wish they would tell me what spirit it is whose inspiration raises them to such a sublime height that they dare despise the doctrine of Scripture as mean and childish.
If they answer that it is the Spirit of Christ, their confidence is exceedingly ridiculous;
since they will, I presume, admit that the apostles and other believers in the primitive Church were not illuminated by any other Spirit.
None of these thereby learned to despise the word of God, but every one was imbued with greater reverence for it, as their writings most clearly testify.
And, indeed, it had been so foretold by the mouth of Isaiah. For when he says,
"My Spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the Lord, from henceforth and for ever,"
he does not tie down the ancient Church to external doctrine, as he were a mere teacher of elements; he rather shows that,
under the reign of Christ, the true and full felicity of the new Church will consist in their being ruled not less by the Word than by the Spirit of God.
Hence we infer that these miscreants are guilty of fearful sacrilege in tearing asunder what the prophet joins in indissoluble union.
Add to this, that Paul, though carried up even to the third heaven, ceased not to profit by the doctrine of the law and the prophets, while, in like manner, he exhorts Timothy, a teacher of singular excellence, to give attention to reading, (1 Tim. 4: 13.)
This is Paul's unique word for worship in Spirit and in Truth: give attention or give heed. This is the same word in Hebrew used by David when he "worshiped" and sang songs upon his bed and meditated in his heart.
And the eulogium which he pronounces on Scripture well deserves to be remembered, viz., that
"it is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfect," (2 Tim. 3: 16.)
What an infatuation of the devil, therefore, to fancy that Scripture, which conducts the sons of God to the final goal, is of transient and temporary use?
Again, I should like those people to tell me whether they have imbibed any other Spirit than that which Christ promised to his disciples. Though their madness is extreme, it will scarcely carry them the length of making this their boast.
But what kind of Spirit did our Saviour promise to send? One who should not speak of himself, (John 16: 13,)
but suggest and instil the truths which he himself had delivered through the word.
Hence the office of the Spirit promised to us, is not to form new and unheard-of revelations, or to coin a new form of doctrine, by which we may be led away from the received doctrine of the gospel, but to seal on our minds the very doctrine which the gospel recommends
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