Ken Cukrowski Uncovered
Prophets in 1 Corinthians 11
Lipscomb University Summer Celebration 2019
11.13.22 Doctors of the law take away the
key to knowledge. God's word cannot be sold. No godly
preacher can never be rich or famous; they will be hated and
hounded.
Isaiah.3.Children.and.Women.Rule.Over.Them.html
Musical
Instruments to Worship Satan
SerpentWorship.html
CLAY TABLETS, HOLY SCRIPTURE, MEDICAL SCIENCE
AND CHURCH SCHOLARS CONDEMNS RELIGIOUS RHETORIC, MUSIC AND
DRAMA TO BURNING. AND THE APOSTATES CANNOT FIND ONE
PERSON IN HOLY SCRIPTURE SAID TO WORSHIP BY RHETORIC, MUSIC,
DRAMA OR PAY TO PLAY. BEING STRONGLY DELUDED IS A
PITIFUL STATE
Stu^ger-os
musicians are hated,
ABOMINATED, loathed, or hateful, ABOMINABLE
loathsome,
They are
from Aidēs Haidēs
Aidao domoisi in the nether world
to the nether world, 2. place of departed spirits,
2. gen. hadou with nouns in adjectival sense,
devilish, thuousan ha. mēter' A.Ag.1235;
ha. mageiros
They are FOREORDAINED to
this JUDGMENT and a "Locusts" chase the GODLY
out.
Jude.There.Should.Be.Mockers.in.the.Last.Time.html
AND MOCKED
Worship.Androgyny.The.Pagan.Sexual.Ideal.html
Jeanene.Reese.LGBT.MUST.be.Included.html
They Do NOT know God nor Christ
2.John.1.9.The.Doctrine.of.Christ.html
2John 9 Whosoever transgresseth,
and abideth
not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.
He that abideth in the
doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father
and the Son.
doctrīn
doctor, I.teaching, instruction
(class.; cf.: litterae, artes, disciplina, praecepta,
scientia, humanitas).
A. Object., the knowledge imparted by teaching, i. e. science,
erudition, learning:
B. Subject., the habit produced by instruction, principle:
The.Beast.Serpent.Serpo.Herpo.Genesis.3
Leonard Allen The Spirit Poured out.
God's Spirit is His BREATH it produces WORDS but not after the
time of Jesus
Leonard Allen Poured out NECESSARY to
enable the Mission of Jesus Christ.
ACU seems to want the uncovered prophesiers in Corinth
COVERED: they were called sorceress praecantricx,
I. an enchantress, sorceress.
Miriam known as "bitter waters" was an Egyptian princess: she is
one of the prototypical usurping women. As a "prophetess" she,
like the Jacob-cursed and God-abandoned levites were SOOTHSAYERS
which was often the same as a SORCERESS.
Al Maxey Miriam
as Musical Worship Minister
Deborah
the Prophetess Deborah is called a Prophetess
which means a SINGER. When the male population evolves into
weasels then a Deborah may have to take the lead.
Rubel
Shelly on Deborah
Huldah
may have been the wife of a prophet but not a writing
prophet: her job description defines her as the
official LIBRARIAN. Not even kings had a clue about the
Law of Moses because the Monarchy did not follow the Law after
God turned them over to worship the starry host.
Musical prophesiers expanded in Ezekiel
See our review
of Charles Daily Part One
Part Two
More Data on Dailey's musical
prophesying
See our collection of resources about
DEVIL WORSHIP
And a similar Serpent Worship
The Corinthian women: speaking in
tongue
Gender
Inclusive and Egalitarian Churches of Christ
Gal328
Gender Justice in Church of Christ
Doug
Hurley Your Sons and Daughters shall
Prophesy at ACU
See
Ken Cukrowski Women in Ministry at ACU
See Ken Cukrowski claiming that the old and
new testaments authorizes women prophets.
Jeff Walling
Women in Ministry
Mike
Cope Women Worship Leaders
Russ
Adcox Women in Ministry
Carroll D.
Osburn Women and Change Agenda
Wiley
Clarkson one of Ken Cukrowski's disciples
John Mark Hicks
Women in the Assembly: Prophesying
Rubel Shelly
Homosexuals and Women justice
1. Rubel Shelly
Women in
God's Service
2.
Rubel Shelly: Women in God's Service: Jesus
Life and Service
Al Maxey Miriam
as Musical Worship Minister
1.15.13 The
Spirit OF Christ is the "Thus saith the Law." Christ defined the
future REST both INCLUSIVELY and EXCLUSIVELY. As Qahal,
synagogue, ekklesia or Church of Christ (the Rock) in the
Wilderness and in the Prophets which constitutes THE LAW as far
as the foundation upon which His church is built or EDUCATED.
Isaiah 57:20 But the
wicked are like the troubled sea,
when it cannot REST, whose waters
cast up mire and dirt.
Isaiah
57:20] impii autem quasi mare fervens quod quiescere non potest et redundant fluctus eius in conculcationem et lutum
Quĭesco
, quiērunt
Aequora,
the waves are at rest, do not rise, standing waters,
2.
Act., to cause to cease,
render quiet, stop,
etc.: laudes,
Sen. Herc. Oet. 1584.Hence,
quĭētus
, a, um, P. a., at rest, calm, quiet
4. To
make a pause in speaking: quiescere,
id est, hēsukhazein,
ludendi
est
quidem
modus
Silence: lūdo , B. To play,
sport, frisk, frolic: dum
se
exornat,
nos
volo
Ludere
inter
nos,
have some fun, dance,
Silence: A.
go sport, play with any thing, to
practise as a pastime, amuse one's self with
any thing carmina
pastorum,
Silence: B. to
sport, dally, wanton (cf. "amorous play,"
Milton, P. L. 9, 1045): scis
solere
illam
aetatem
tali
ludo
ludere,
Plaut. Most. 5,
Silence: C.
Ludere aliquem or aliquid, to play, mock,
imitate, mimic a person or thing imitate
work, make believe work,
lūdo , II.A to
play on an instrument of music, to make
or compose music or song,B. To
play, sport, frisk, frolic: dum
se
exornat,
nos
volo
Ludere
inter
nos,
have some fun, dance, carmina
[SING AND PLAY]
B. to sport, dally,
wanton (cf. "amorous play," Milton, P. L.
9, 1045): scis
solere
illam
aetatem
tali
ludo
ludere,
Plaut. Most. 5,
C. Ludere aliquem or aliquid, to play, mock,
imitate, mimic a person or thing imitate work, make believe
work,
Mŏdus 2. The
measure of tones, measure, rhythm, melody, harmony,
time; in poetry, measure, metre, mode:
vocum,
Cic. Div. 2, 3, 9:
musici,
Quint. 1, 10, 14:
lyrici,
Ov. H. 15, 6:
fidibus
Latinis
Thebanos
aptare
modos,
Hor. Ep. 1, 3, 12:
Bacchico exsultas (i. e. exsultans) modo, Enn.
ap. Charis [grace]. p. 214
P. (Trag. v. 152 Vahl.): flebilibus
modis
concinere,
Cic. Tusc. 1, 44, 106:
saltare [dance] ad tibicinis modos, to
the music or sound of the
flute, Liv. 7, 2:
nectere
canoris
Eloquium
vocale
modis,
Juv. 7, 19.Fig.:
verae
Jesus
as the WORD is the LOGOS or rational
discourse
of God:
1. plea, pretext, ground, would have
admitted
of an explanation,
2. statement of a theory, argument,
to be
explained
c. in
Logic,
proposition, whether
as
premiss or
conclusion
d. rule, principle, law, as
embodying the result of
logismos
4. thesis, hypothesis, provisional
ground,
5.reason, ground 6.formula
(wider than
definition, but freq. equivalent
thereto),
term expressing
reason,
7.reason, law exhibited in the
world-process,
c. in Neo-Platonic Philos., of
regulative and
formative forces, derived from the
intelligible
and operative in the
sensible universe
IV. inward debate of the soul
1.thinking,
reasoning, explanation,
opposite perception,
2. reason as a
faculty,
V. continuous statement, narrative
(whether fact or fiction),
oration lego
4.speech, delivered in court,
assembly
VI. verbal expression or
utterance,
lego, lexis
Lexis
A.speech,
opposite τidκ, 1.art
of song 5. = eppsdκ, spell, incantation
4.text of an author, opposite
exegesis [Peter's
private interpretation outlaws exegesis]
2. common talk, report, tradition d.
the
talk one occasions,
repute, mostly in
good sense,
good report, praise, honour,
3. discussion, debate, deliberation,
c.
dialogue, as a form of philosophical
debate,
1. divine utterance, oracle, expression,
utterance, speech regarded formally,
Isaiah 57:21 There is no peace, saith my God,
to the wicked.
Musical worship
discorders boast about Worship Wars: a musical instrument is DEFINED as
a machine for making war or the shock and awe of
religious "lying wonders. They have the liberty to
"UPSET your comfort zones" to force you to be THEIR feeder and
servant.
Pax
, I. peace, concluded between
parties at variance, esp. between belligerents; a
treaty of peace; tranquillity, the absence of
war, amity, reconciliation after a
quarrel, public or private
PEACE IS: B. Transf. 1. Grace,
favor, pardon, assistance of the
gods: pacem
ab
Aesculapio
petas,4. Pax,
as an interj., peace! silence! enough! pax,
The Jews had been turned over
to worship the starry host: they called the golden calf
their Lord but then never worshipped Jehoval even though
they pretended that
they were.
Those who follow the
pattern of the Monarchy DO it because they ARE
impious
impĭus
without reverence or respect
for God, one's parents, or one's country; irreverent,
ungodly, undutiful, unpatriotic; abandoned,
wicked, impious.Tītan Saturnus,
bellum
injustum
atque
impium,
Cic. Rep. 2, 17
loqui,
i. e. treasonable
Tītan g).
Diana, as sister of Sol, Ov. M. 3, 173.
(d). Circe,
[CHURCH] as daughter of Sol.
Ov. M. 14, 382; 14,
438. thunderbolts of his son
Jupiter, precipitated into Tartarus:
B. Tītānĭăcus
, a, um, adj.,
of or
belonging to Titan
or
the Titans,
Titanic:
dracones,
sprung from the Titans'
blood,
Ov. M. 7, 398.
C. Tītānis
, ĭdis or ĭdos,
adj. f.,
Titanic:
pugna,
of the Titans,
Juv. 8, 132:
Circe,
as
daughter
of Sol,
Sāturnus As the
sun-god of the Phnicians, = Baal,
Curt. 4, 3, 15:
Saturni
sacra
dies,
i. e. Saturday, Tib.
1, 3, 18: Saturni
Stella,
the planet Saturn, Cic. N. D. 2, 20, 52;
2, 46, 119; id. Div. 1, 39, 85.As
subst.: Sāturnus
, also
pater
(sc.
Superum),
Verg. A. 4, 372;
Ov. M. 1, 163:
versus, the Saturnian
verse, the oldest kind of metre among the
Romans, carmen,
metrum,
2. Subst.:
Sāturnālĭa
also Bacchanalia, Compitalia, Vinalia, and the
like), a general festival in honor of Saturn,
beginning on the 17th of December and lasting
several days; the Saturnalia, verba,
Tib. 1, 3, 52:
tumultus,
Hor. C. 4, 4, 46:
clamor,
Tŭmultus
A. Disturbance,
disquietude,
agitation,
tumult
of the mind or feelings:
tumultus Mentis,
Hor. C. 2, 16, 10;
Luc. 7, 183:
pulsata
tumultu pectora,
Petr.
poλt.
123: sceleris
tumultus,
Hor. S. 2, 3, 208.
B. Of speech, confusion, disorder:
sermonis,
Plin. 7, 12, 10, § 55:
criminum,
cantuum
truces
war songs
1.07.13 Doug
Hurley Your Sons and Daughters shall Prophesy at ACU.
The Satanic THESIS is that "prophesying" is the
world's oldest profession. Through music and other madness
they pretended that they were speaking for a god. For
that they no longer had to work but became the priest-prophet
of a tribe. The Godly ANTITHESIS is that only the
Spirit OF Christ speaks through through the writing prophets.
Peter said that Jesus whom God made to be both Lord and Christ
made these prophecies more certain. After he and others left a
memory of their eye- and ear- witness, anyone who continue to
claim prophetic power would be marked as a false
teacher. There is a large band of purpose driven
"scholars" promoting a role in churches as a PROPHET to RATTLE
your rest Jesus died to give you.
The Word PROPHESYING speaks of the feelings induced by MUSIC:
the clergy claimed that the arousal or frenzy was PROOF that the
gods or demons were dwelling INSIDE of them: that is the goal of
ENTHUSIASTIC pseudo worship. The "prophet" words will be
repeated several times as it relates to different people.
Including Mirian and the Levites, prophesying was soothsaying or
sorcery for which God casts you alive into the lake of fire.
Ken Cukrowski Women in
Ministry ACU scrambles Paul's
letters to claim and promote the idea that Paul
was wrong: women may fully participate in
"ministry" whatever that be..
Wiley Clarkson one of Ken
Cukrowski's disciples
Mike
Cope A Cappella Music
Mike
Cope Women Worship Leaders
Cukrowski, Ken (2001) "The Problem of Uncovered Prophets:
Exploring 1 Corinthians 11.2-16," Leaven: Vol. 9: Iss. 3,
Article 7. Available at:
http://digitalcommons.pepperdine.edu/leaven/vol9/iss3/7 The
Problems of Uncovered Prophets: Exploring 1 Cor 11:pr2-16
KEN CUKROWSKI
Headcoverings, prophets, the cryptic
phrase "because of the angels"-what is going on in 1
Cor 11:2-16? Certainly one of the more difficult passages in
the New Testament, 1 Cor 11:2-16 presents an array of vexing
problems, each one impacting the interpretation of the
passage. Despite my desire to address all difficulties in
the text, engage the academic literature, and discuss the
application of the text, I win restrict myself to the task
of a clear explanation of an apparently murky passage. We
begin with the context of the passage, and then move to some
of the key issues. *
See more Plautus below:
PALAESTRIO
For you to bring her home at once to your house as your
wife, and, for that reason, to bring her there dressed out,
so that she may wear her locks with her hair arranged, and
fillets after the fashion of matrons33,
and may pretend that she is your wife; so you must instruct
her.
33
The fashion of matrons: The "vitta"
[fillet or chaplet worn round the head;]
was a band which encircled the head, and served to confine
the tresses of the hair. It was worn by maidens,
and by married women also, among the Romans; but that
assumed on the day of marriage was of a different form
from that used by the virgins. It was not worn by women
of light character, or even by the "libertinae,"
or liberated female slaves; so that it was not only deemed
an emblem of chastity, but of freedom also
CONTEXT OF 1 CORINTHIANS
How does 1 Cor 11:2-16 fit within the
letter as a whole? First Corinthians is not Paul's first
contact with the Corinthians. Paul founds the church at
Corinth on his first visit to the city (Acts 18:1-8) with
the assistance of Silas and Timothy (Acts 18:5; 2 Cor I:
19). After a stay of eighteen months in Corinth (Acts
18:11), Paul moves and spends the next three years in
Ephesus (Acts 19:1-20:1,31). During his time in
Ephesus, Paul writes a letter, now lost, to Corinth (1 Cor
5:9).
KEN CUKROWSKI:
Apparently, Paul hears quite a bit about the
church in Corinth. He hears from Chloe's people about
quarreling in Corinth (1 Cor 1:11); Paul mentions other
reports about Corinth throughout his letter (1 Cor 5:1;
11:18; 15:12); and the three envoys carrying the letter,
Stephanus, Achaicus, and Fortunatus (1 Cor 16:17-18), likely
converse with Paul about the contents of the letter.
Speaking of the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai:
"It is a great mistake
to imagine that back of their idolatry and their idol
sacrifices there is nothing but an empty vacuity. True
enough, as 1 Cor 8:4 makes plain, the gods of the idols
have no existence whatever; no being by the name of
Jupiter exists, and this is true with respect to all other
gods. But something does exist, something that is far more
terrible than these pseudo-gods, namely an entire kingdom
of darkness which is hostile to God, a host of demons or fallen angels who are ruled by the
greatest of their number, namely Satan, Eph. 2:3;
6:12. (Lenski)
Enoch 7:1 It happened
after the sons of men had multiplied in those days, that daughters were born to them, elegant and beautiful.
2 And when the angels,
(3) the sons of heaven, beheld them,
they became enamoured of them, saying to each other,
Come, let us select for ourselves
wives
from the progeny of men,
and let us beget children.
See
the generation of Vipers and the Crooked Generation
(3) An Aramaic text
reads "Watchers" here (J.T. Milik, Aramaic Fragments of
Qumran Cave 4 [Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1976], p.
167).
Dan. 4:17 This matter
IS by the decree of the watchers, and the demand
by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the
living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom
of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth
up over it the basest of men.
1 Co.11:10
For this cause ought the woman to
have power on her head because of the angels. 1
Co.11:10
Let no man beguile you
of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into
those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed
up by his fleshly mind, Col2:18
Clement in Stromata I
For the false
prophets possessed the prophetic name dishonestly,
being prophets, but prophets of
the liar.
For the Lord says, "Ye are of your father the devil; and the lusts of your father
ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode
not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he
speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own; for he is a liar, and the father of it."
But among the lies, the false prophets also told
some true things. And in reality they
prophesied "in an ecstasy, as" 192 the servants of the apostate.
And the Shepherd, the angel of repentance, says to Hermas, of the
false prophet:
Note: 192 [The devil can
quote Scripture. Hermas, p. 27, this volume.
See, on this important chapter, Elucidation XIII., infra.]
"For he speaks some
truths. For the devil fills him with his own spirit, if perchance he may be
able to cast down any one from what is right."
KEN CUKROWSKI: First
Corinthians is a response to the letter from the Corinthians
carried by those three emissaries; Paul responds to their
questions as 1 Cor 7: 1 indicates: "Now concerning (peri de)
the things about which you wrote."! The same phrase (peri
de) occurs several more times in 1 Corinthians, probably
indicating matters that the Corinthians have raised to Paul
in their letter.?
Was the matter about headcoverings a
topic mentioned in the letter from the Corinthians? It seems
possible, even though "now concerning" (peri de) does not
begin the passage. It is worth noting that no peri de
precedes 11:17-34, which, nevertheless, appears to be part
of Paul's response to specific questions about the Lord's
Supper (note v. 34b). At the same time, it is also possible
that Paul is responding to information from the other
sources (1: 11; 5: 1; 11:18) or the three envoys sent from
Corinth (16: 17).
In 1 Corinthians
12 Paul is proving that the women (especially) who were
prophesiers in the pagan temples did NOT speak for
Jesus. In Ephesians 4 the Gifts of Christ were given
to me to specificially silence the cunning craftsmanship
or SOPHISTRY: this would exclude rhetoric, singing,
playing, acting or engaging in any of the pagan practics
where the propheciers were the MANTIC called the Mad
Women of Corinths. This mantic prophesying
used what people calls a "worship service" to arouse
the males to such an extent that they were stripped of
their food money before they could get out of
Corinth. They performed only in the agora or
marketplace where Jesus consigned the pipers, singers and
dancers implicating a gender bleed problem.
1Corinthians 12:1 Now concerning spiritual
gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
1Corinthians 12:2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles,
carried away unto
these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
Apagō V. lead away,
b. n Logic, reduce, eis
adunaton
kōmos
, ho,
V. lead away, divert from the subject, esp.
by sophistry, apo
tou
ontos
epi
tounantion
Pl.Phdr.262b;
Orgizō
kōmos
, ho,
A. revel, carousal, merry-making, deipna
kai
sun
aulētrisi
kōmoi
Pl.Tht.173d;
aul-ētris , idos,
hē,
A. flute-girl, Simon.178, Ar.Ach.551,
X.HG2.2.23,
Pl.Prt.347d,
II. the ode sung at one of these festive
processions, Pi.P.8.20,
70, O.4.10,
B.8.103; meligaruōn
tektones
kōmōn
Pi.N.3.5,
cf. Ar.Th.104,
988
Plat.
Theaet. 173d do not even know where the
court-room is, or the senate-house, or any other public
place of assembly; as for laws and decrees, they neither
hear the debates upon them nor see them when they are
published; and the strivings of political clubs after
public offices, and meetings, and banquets, and revellings
with chorus girlsit never occurs to them even in their
dreams to indulge in such things
Aristoph.
Ach. 551 everywhere are chaplets, sprats,
flute-girls, black eyes; in the arsenal bolts are
being noisily driven home, sweeps are being made and
fitted with leathers; we hear nothing but the sound of
whistles, of flutes and fifes to encourage the
work-folk.
Plat.
Phaedrus 262b Socrates
TIn the case, then, of those whose opinions are at
variance with facts and who are deceived, this error
evidently slips in through some resemblances. Then
he who does not understand the real nature of things will
not possess the art of making his hearers pass from
one thing to its opposite by leading them through
the intervening resemblances, or of avoiding such deception
himself?
1Corinthians 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand,
that no man
speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus
accursed:
and that no man can say
that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
There is no evidence that anyone in Corinth had any gift: if
so they would have been been bestowed by the hands of an
apostle as did Paul on the Ephesus 12. They became fore
tellers of what Paul had taught them directly from Christ.
1Corinthians 12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to
another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
1Corinthians 12:10 To another the working of miracles;
to another
prophecy;
to another
discerning of spirits;
to another
divers kinds of tongues;
to another the
interpretation of tongues:
Contrary to the women whom Paul silences absolutely in chapter
14 there would be ANOTHER or just ONE true prophet in a given
congregation. That prophet would say NOTHING which could
not be put into the language of the people and teaching
doctrine.
A preacher is a kurusso: a HERALD: a herald takes a message
from ONE PLACE to another. He does not CHANGE the message or
even OPEN it. He delivers it to the addressee without
charge. On the other hand, Elders as pastor-teachers
"teach that which has been taught." He does not need to be a
prophet because he has what he is COMMANDED to teach.
1Corinthians 12:31 But covet earnestly the best
gifts:
and yet shew I unto you
a more excellent way.
Prophesying was gibberish induced by wine, drugs, vapors or
music. In this prophetic state they gave answers to questions in
their mad gibberish. The PRIEST fitted an answer because he
unsealed the question. He composed an answer in verse. The
singer then sang the answer in verse. Many people were led
astray just as by modern preachers who presume to speak beyond
the sacred pages.
KEN
CUKROWSKI: WHAT PAUL
MIGHT HAVE READ
We don't actually know what Paul might
have read. So, in what follows we engage in a significant
degree of conjecture; let the reader beware. However,
the attempt is not without merit. In fact, envisioning
the circumstances that produced Paul's response is a key, perhaps
lost, to understanding this passage. The danger is
mirror reading, assuming that every statement of Paul's is a
response to or denial of what the Corinthians wrote. The
challenge for any interpreter is to account for Paul's
praise in 11:2 and his critique in the following verses. In
other words, the Corinthians were doing something right,
but not completely right.
The classical
literature certainly informed Paul and most people who
attended the plays (religious) in the theaters: the
language is that of theaters.
Paul does not
address the assembly always defined as a Word
of Christ only School for DISCIPLES until verse 17
1Corinthians 11:17 Now in this that I
declare unto you I praise you not,
that ye come
together [synagogue] not for the better, but
for the worse.
1Corinthians 11:18 For first of all, when ye come
together in the church,
I hear that there
be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
The concept of
Spiritual Formation inherited from the Jesuits INSISTS
that you can use your imagination when the Spirit OF
Christ didn't do His job very well. We suggest that
Paul said that when people lose their love for the Word
God sends them strong delusions that they believe their
own lie because they have lost connection with THE
HEAD. The signs are LYING WONDERS
which identifies all of the performing arts Christ defined
in Ezekiel 33: rhetoricians, singers and instrument players.
Those who so attracted were also called hypocrites because
they had no intention of listening to the TRUE PROPHETS
who spoke by the Spirit OF Christ.
The only way to understand Paul is to define words and see how
they were used at the time. Paul will speak further of the
"angels" in chapter 13. Only women "spoke in tongues"
which is the pagan THESIS of prophesying. Maybe if we
tried to understand ALL of the chapters as ONE LETTER not
intended to be fracted into gas.
1Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak
with the tongues of men and of angels,
and have not
charity, I am become as sounding brass, or
a tinkling cymbal.
This is not speaking as in the command to SPEAK one
to another to teach and comfort. Sounding brass and tinkling
cymbals here are identifying marks of people who have NO LOVE.
Even if they COULD speak all of the languages in the world
there would be no love. The command is to SPEAK or LOGOS the
Word of Christ which is the opposite of rhetoric, singing or
playing instruments. Speaking in the tongues of angels was IN
FACT making music in tongues. Paul will EQUATE
speaking in tongues to using LIFELESS INSTRUMENTS (or Carnal
Weapons). Neither tongues nor musical instruments
can SPEAK says Christ through Habakkuk 2.
La^l-eō ,Mark of the
Locusts
III. of musical sounds, aulō [flute] laleō Theoc.20.29; of
trees, v.supr.1.2; di'aulou [flute] ē salpiggos l.[trumpet]
Arist. Aud.801a29; of Echo,
magadin lalein sound the magadis, [double flute]
-kat-auleτ , A. charm by flute-playing, metaphor
I will flute to you on a
ghastly flute, E.HF871 (troch.):--Pass., of persons, methuτn
kai katauloumenos drinking
wine to the strains of the
flute, Pl.R.561c;
k. pros chelτnidos psophon to be played to on the flute with lyre accompaniment,
II. in Pass., [ton monochordon kanona]
parechein tais aisthκsesi . . katauloumenon subdued by a flute accompaniment, to be piped
down, ridiculed, gelτmenoi
2. make
a place sound with flute-playing, resound with flute-playing, nκsos
katκuleito Plu.Ant.56
katapsallτ A.play stringed instruments to, [sumposion]katauleinkai k. Plu.2.713e :--usu.
in Pass., have music played to one, enjoy music,
ib.785e; of places, resound with music, Id.Ant.56.
2. Pass., to be buried to the sound of music,
3. metaph., katapsalletai . . hodκmiourgos is
drummed out
hupauleτ , play on the flute in
accompaniment, melo. lusiτidos 1 one
who played women's characters in male attire,
The Mark of the Locusts: Abaddon's
Muses (dirty adulteresses) performing as sorcerers.
Tettix This noise
is freq. used as a simile for sweet sounds, Il.3.151, Hes.Op.582,
Sc.393,
Simon.173, 174,
etc.; and Plato calls them hoi Mousōn prophētai, Phdr.262d; but they also
became a proverb. for garrulity, lalein tettix Aristopho10.7:
t. polloi ginomenoi nosōdes to etos sēmainous
Mousa ,Muse,
2. hautē hē Sōkratous m. that was Socrates's way
Prophēt-euō A. to
be a prophētēs or interpreter
of the gods, manteueo, Moisa, prophateusō d' egō Pi.
l.c.; tis prophēteuei theou; who is his interpreter
Mant-euomai 2.
generally, presage, forebode, surmise, of
presentiment, Opposite. knowledge, Pl.Cra.411b,
R.349a,
II. consult an oracle, seek divinations, Pi.O.7.31,
Hdt.1.46, 4.172, etc.; en Delphoisi Id.6.76;
ho gar theos manteuomenō moukhrēsen en Delphois pote Ar.V.159,
cf. Av.593
The mark of Apollo,
Abaddon, Apollyon and the Muses at Delphi.
khraō (B). A. FORMS: contr. I. in
Act. of the gods and their oracles, proclaim, abs., khreiōn muthēsato Phoibos 8.79: hē Puthiē [serpent] hoi khra tade Hdt.1.55, kh. mantesi [mad] Mousais Ar.Av.724
From Charis or Grace: See
Charismatic Worship
b. khrēsthai tini (without philō) to be intimate
with a man, X.Hier.5.2,
Mem.4.8.11
2. esp. of sexual intercourse, gunaixi ekhrato Hdt.2.181,
cf. X.Mem.1.2.29,
2.1.30, Is.3.10, D.59.67.
Aristoph.
Birds 724
If you recognize us as gods, we shall be your divining
Muses, through us you will know the winds and the
seasons, summer, [725] winter, and the temperate months. We
shall not withdraw ourselves to the highest clouds like Zeus,
but shall be among you and shall give to you [730] and
to your children and the children of your children, health
and wealth, long life, peace, youth, laughter,
songs and feasts; in short, you will all be so
well off, [735] that you will be weary and cloyed with
enjoyment.
Col 2:18 Let no man
beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and
worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he
hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
Vincent notes:
Render delighting
in humility. This rendering is well supported by
Septuagint usage. See 1 Sam. xviii. 22; 2 Sam. xv. 26; 1
Kings x. 9; 2 Chronicles ix. 8. 200 It falls in, in the
regular participial series, with the other declarations as
to the vain conceit of the teachers; signifying not their
purpose or their wish to deprive the Christians
of their reward, but their vain enthusiasm for their
false doctrine, and their conceited
self-complacency which prompted them to sit as judges. The
worship of angels involved a show of humility, an
affectation of superior reverence for God,
as shown in the reluctance to attempt to approach God
otherwise than indirectly: in its assumption that
humanity, debased by the contact with matter, must reach
after God through successive grades of intermediate
beings.
Worship of angels (qrhskeia). See on religious, Jas. i.
26. Defining the direction which their humility assumed.
The usage of the Septuagint and of the New Testament limits
the meaning to the external aspects of worship.
Compare Acts xxvi. 5; Jas. i. 27.
The ANGELS are not Christ's messengers:
He SENT evangelists OUT to preach that which HE commanded to
be taught.
Aggelos , of a
loquacious person 2. generally, one that
announces or tells, e.g. of birds of augury,
Il.24.292,296; Mousōn aggelos, of a poet,
Females as stand over preachers.
Paul will define a prophet as Teaching the Word of God with
Speaking: Logos or opposite poetry or music. These are the
Locusts or music Apollo unleashed and John calls Sorcerers in
Revelation 18 working for the Babylon Mother of Harlots.
1Corinthians 14:8 For if the trumpet give
an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the
battle?
Salp-igx , iggos, hē, A. war-trumpet
hupai salpiggos by sound of
trumpet, S.El.711,
cf. Ar.Ach.1001;
also apo s. X.Eq.Mag.3.12,
Plb.4.13.1.
The trumpet was for sending signals: if someone makes music it
might getyou killed: The use of such instruments in the assembly
CLAIMING that they can lead you into the presence of God is
MAKING WAR against the saints of God.
Xen.
Cav. 3.11 In the sham fight when the regiments
pursue and fly from one another at the gallop in two squadrons
of five regiments, each side led by its commander, the
regiments should ride through one another. How formidable they
will look when they charge front to front; how imposing when,
after sweeping across the Hippodrome, they stand facing one
another again; how splendid, when the trumpet sounds
and they charge once more at a quicker pace!
[12] After the halt, the
trumpet should sound once more, and they should charge
yet a third time at top speed; and when they have
crossed, they should all range themselves in battle line
preparatory to being dismissed, and ride up to the Council,
just as you are accustomed to do.
Paul spoke LOGOS in clear conversational style because
the purpose was to TEACH the Word of Christ.
1Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues
of men and of angels,
and have not charity,
I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling
cymbal.
khalkos
II. in Poets freq. for anything
made of metal, esp. of arms (hence Pi. calls it polios,
the proper epith. of iron, P.3.48);
of offensive arms, oxei
khalkō,
nēlei
kh.,
of a spear, a sword, Il.4.540, 3.292, al.; of a
knife, 1.236, al.; of
an axe, 13.180, Od.5.244, al.;
of a fish-hook, Il.16.408;
sidēros
de
kai
kh.
polemōn
organa
Polemon
warfare II. personified, War, Battle,
Alala
Polemou
thugater
2. metaph. of womankind, polutelēs
p.
Organon
, to,
(ergon,
erdō)
A. instrument, implement, tool, for making or
doing a thing,
3. musical instrument,Simon.31,
f.l. in A.Fr.57.1 ; ho
men
di'
organōn
ekēlei
anthrōpous,
of Marsyas, Pl.Smp.215c
; aneu
organōn
psilois
logois
ibid., cf. Plt.268b
; o.
polukhorda
Id.R.399c,
al.; met'
ōdēs
kai
tinōn
organōn
Phld.Mus.p.98K.; of
the pipe
kumba^lon
, to,
(kumbos)
cymbal
1 Samuel 18.6 It happened as they came, when David returned
from the slaughter of the Philistine, that the women came out of
all the cities of Israel, singing and dancing, to meet king
Saul, with tambourines, with joy, and with instruments of
music.
Ala^l-azō
, formed from the cry alalai):
raise the war-cry, tō
Enualiō
ēlalaxan
(as v.l. for ēlelixan)
X.An.5.2.14,
cf.6.5.27; Med.,
Arr.l.c.: c.acc. cogn., nikēn
alalazein
shout the shout of victory, S.Ant.133.
2. generally, cry, shout aloud, Pi.l.c., E.El.855;
esp. in orgiastic rites, A.Fr.57;
of Bacchus and Bacchae, E.Ba.593
(in Med.), 1133, etc.; ōloluxan
hai
gunaikes,
ēlalaxan
de
hoi
andres
*II. arely also of other sounds
than the voice,sound loudly, psalmos
d'
alalazei
A.Fr.57; kumbalon
alalazon
1 Ep.Cor.13.1
KEN CUKROWSKI: Taking
into account key words from I Cor 11, I attempted to
craft a fictitious letter approximating what Paul
might have read: Paul,
God warned us not to listen to man's imagination: I will
just pass since the KEY WORDS and minimal history of the time
needs no doctors of the law because Jesus said that they take
away the key to knowledge.
FEMALE PROPHETS
The congregation in which I was reared
did not mention female prophets.
Since others may share
a similar history,
a word about female
prophets and prophecy may be in order.
The females such
as Deborah or Huldah were not PROPHETS since we have
nothing recorded as inspired. A prophetess was the
wife of a prophet OR a musical soothsayer.
People may not
have noticed that there is always been a lot of teaching
against speaking in tongues which includes playing musical
instruments to induce that mad state. The only PROPHETS
are the written prophets by the Spirit of Christ. Paul
said that Jesus made these prophet's teaching more certain
Ephesians 2:20 And are built
upon [EDUCATED BY] the
foundation of the apostles and prophets,
Jesus Christ himself
being the chief corner stone;
Ephesians 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto
the sons of men,
as it is now revealed
unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
The apostles did not ORIGINATE any thing: Like Jesus as the Son
Who spoke only what He heard from the Father (within), the
Apostles would speak what Jesus Christ as Spirit guided them
into all truth. A prophet in this sense is to "interpret
Scripture under Divine influence."
Peter identified the PROPHETS as those who had spoken by the
Spirit of Christ (1 Peter 1:11). Jesus of Nazareth
fulfilled these prophecies or made them more certain. THIS
means that in the Christian dispensation there are TEACHERS
commanded to teach what has been taught.
2Peter 2:1 But there were false
prophets also among the people,
even as there shall be
false teachers among you,
who privily
shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that
bought them,
and bring upon
themselves swift destruction.
Here it is: you don't need to be a "scholar" to read and
understand it: God HIDES from the wise or Sophists meaning
speakers, singers and instrument players and reveals only to
babes.
2Peter 3:2 That ye may be
mindful of the WORDS
which were spoken before
by the holy prophets,
and of the commandment
of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
The pattern for the Church in the Wilderness was to Rest, Read
and Rehearse: Church has no wider role to play.
mimnēskō
A remind, put in mind, ecalled it to
memory, III. give heed to
Romans 15:15 Nevertheless, brethren, I have written the more
boldly unto you in some sort, as putting you in mind, because
of the grace that is given to me of God,
2Timothy 1:6 Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou
stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of
my hands.
2Peter 1:12 Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you
always in remembrance [hupomimnēskein] of these things,
though ye know them, and be established in the present truth.
2Peter 1:13 Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this
tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance;
[hupomnēsei]
2Peter 1:15 Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able
after my decease to have these things always in
remembrance.
2Peter 3:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you;
in both
which I stir up your
pure minds by way of remembrance:
Jude 5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though
ye once knew this,
how that the
Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt,
afterward destroyed them
that believed not.
Revelation 16:19 And the great city was divided into three
parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon
came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of
the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
A Sophist who SELLS their bodies including their OWN
words are defined by Paul as PROSTITUTES.
Revelation 18:20 Rejoice over
her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God
hath avenged you on her.
The Purpose
Driven method is to always define our old churches so
ignorant that they didn't even have female prophets in the
church! The Missional Church madness intends to RESTORE
the five-fold ministry and restore Apostles and Prophets.
These men get their instructions from a "spirit" beyond
the sacred pages and the laidity are not supposed to
question God's anointed Vicars.
Found both in the Old Testament and New
Testament,
female prophets
playa role, often significant,
in the life of God's
people.
This is gleaned from "beyond the
sacred pages" because there were no prophets in the Qahal,
synagogue or Church of Christ (the Rock) in the
wilderness. It was INCLUSIVE of Rest, Reading and
Rehearsing the Word of God. That came down ONLY from
Moses. It was EXCLUSIVE of vocal or instrumental
rejoicing inclusing high sounding speech. That never
changed for the Godly people.
KEN CUKROWSKI: From Miriam
(Exodus 15:20)
When Miriam
claimed to speak FOR GOD He slapped her with a dose of
leprosy and she is removed from the Story Line.
SEE
THE FULL STORY OF MIRIAM HERE.
It is probable
that Miriam was Paul's example of a prototypical usurping
women.
Ex 15:20 And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of
Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand;
and all the women went out after her with timbrels
and with dances.
Exodus 15.20 sumpsit ergo Maria prophetis soror Aaron tympanum in manu egressaeque sunt omnes mulieres post eam cum tympanis et choris
Here is what Miriam really did:
Yaca (h3318)
yaw-tsaw'; a prim. root; to go (causat. bring) out, in a
great variety of applications, lit. and fig... break out, ..be condemned, departure), draw forth, escape, exact, fail, fall (out), fetch forth
(out), get
away.. lead
out, pluck out, proceed, pull out,
And Cain went out from the presence
of the Lord,
and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.Ge.4:16
And I said unto
them, Whosoever hath any gold, let them break it off. So
they gave it me: then I cast it into the fire, and there came out this calf. Ex.32:24
There is one come out of thee, that imagineth evil against
the Lord, a wicked counsellor. Na.1:11
Then shall the
Lord go
forth, and
fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day
of battle. Zec.14:3
Here
is what God thought of her "revelations."
Take heed in the plague of
leprosy, that thou observe diligently,
and
do according to all that the priests the Levites shall teach you:
as
I commanded them, so ye shall observe to do. Deut 24:8
Remember what the
Lord thy God
did unto Miriam by the way,
after that ye were come forth
out of Egypt.
Deut 24:9
Here
is what Miriam did which was common to what the Israelites
did in Egypt and never ceased to do.
Sistrum,
a metallic
rattle
which was used by the Egyptians in celebrating the rites of Isis, and in other lascivious festivals,.Ov. Am. 2, 13, 11 By the
Jews, Vulg. 1 Reg. [Samuel] 18, 6 .--Hence sarcastically, as if used for a war -
trumpet by the wanton Cleopatra Verg.
A.8.696 Luc.
10.63
Image of Bast:
Ovid,
art of love
And hast thy walks around Canope's walls,
Who Memphis visit'st, and the Pharian tower,
Assist Corinna with thy friendly powers.
Thee by thy silver Sistra I conjure,
A life so precious by thy aid secure;
So mayst thou with Osiris still find grace:
By Anubis's venerable face,
I pray thee, so may still thy rights divine
Flourish, and serpents round thy offerings twine
May Apis with his horns the pomp
attend
And be to thee, as thou'rt to her, a friend.
Look down, oh Isis! on the teeming fair,
Apis was the real calf connected to the Egyptian trinity of
Osiris, Isis and Horus.
1 Samuel 18:[6] It happened as they came, when David
returned from the slaughter of the Philistine, that the women
came out of all the cities of Israel, singing and dancing,
to meet king Saul, with tambourines, with joy, and
with instruments of music. [7] The women sang
one to another [h6030 Anah] as they played, and said,
Saul has slain his thousands, David his ten thousands.
[8] Saul was very angry
This
instrument "was a typical woman's instrument...
Although it occurs in the Psalter and in religious hymns
(Exod. 15; Jer. 31:4), it was not permitted in the temple.
Its functions in the bible was restricted to secular or
religious frolicking, cultic dances, or processions (e.g.,
II Sam. 6:5; I Chr. 13:8; Ps. 68:25-26). Its absence in the
temple ritual was possibly due to its strong female
symbolism, which always accompanied the tambourine, and
which made its use so popular at all fertility rites." (The
Int. Std. Bible Dict., p. 474).
NO instruments were ever permitted INSIDE of the Temple
Ovid: book 9, Metamorphoses
the sacred rattles were there, and Osiris, known
the constant object of his
worshipers' desire,
and there the Egyptian serpent
whose quick sting
gives long-enduring sleep.
She seemed to see
them all, and even to hear
the goddess say
to her, "O Telethusa, one
of my
remembered worshipers, forget
your grief;
your
husband's orders need not be obeyed;
and when Lucina has delivered
you,
save and bring up your
child, if either boy
or girl. I am the goddess who brings
help
to all who call upon me; and
you shall
never complain of me--that
you adored
a thankless deity." So she
advised
by vision the sad mother,
and left her.
"Thus they made a golden bull, the image of an animal that
was held to be the most sacred in that land; they offered
unholy sacrifices, performed impious dances and sang hymns which differed in no way
from the pagan mourning songs. Philo, De specialibus
legibus
"This reference probably
indicates the use of songs from the cult of Osiris... it can hardly be denied
that Egyptian influence on Jewish musical practices was
quite significant. This would stand to reason because of
the high quality of Egyptian cultic music. The tambourine or timbrel, a hoop
of bells over which a white skin was stretched,
came from Egypt. Miriam used this instrument to
accompany the singing and dancing on the shores of the Red Sea
(Ex. 15).
"The trumpet... was the signaling instrument of the Egyptian army. The name of the Sistrum (2 Sam 6:5) was mena'ane'im. It was the Egyptian kemken used in the cult of Isis.
"The music during the transferring the Ark
to Sion (David rose up to play)
and the dances of the women
at the Shiloh (Judges 21:21), were similar to the Egyptian liturgy and
parades.
"As Herodotus reports,
women sang the praises of Osiris while liknesses of the gods were born about and, during the festival of Diana at Bubastis.
See
Ezekiel explaining
The Egyptian worship performed by the Jews.
Notice of Miriam.
"In the
first place, it will be noticed from the account of the
triumphant rejoicing on the shore of the Red Sea that the men sang only:
'Then sang Moses and the children of Israel this song unto
the Lord, and SPAKE saying.'" (Girardeau, George, p.
33)
In fact they SPAKE or RECITED.
Masculine is SPEAK or SAY
(as in Speak one to another). Feminine or effeminate is to SANG
and CLANG: no recorded exception to the rule, Al.
"In the second
place, it was Miriam and the women who used
instruments of music on the occasion: 'And Miriam, the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a
timbrel in her hand; and all the women went after her with timbrels and with dances." (Girardeau, p. 33).
Of
course a tabret or sistrum is NOT a musical instrument and
it gave its name for TOPHETH or HELL.
Thirdly, the sistrum was a RATTLE
and not a musical instrument. It did not even make
a SINGLE note. It was to establish a BEAT.
Therefore, Al Maxey is obligated to go out and DANCE with
the women and do the RESPONSIVE chanting which is defined
as BROW BEATING.
Psalm 106:12 Then
believed they his
words;
...........................they sang his praise.
Psalm 106:13 They
soon forgat his works; they waited not for
his counsel:
Psalm 106:14 But
lusted exceedingly in
the wilderness,
and
tempted God in the desert.
Psalm 106:15 And he
gave them their request;
but sent leanness
into their soul.
Ezekiel by
the Spirit OF Christ among others notes that
Ezek 20:6
In the day that I lifted up mine hand unto them,
..........to bring them forth of the land of Egypt
..........into a land that I had espied
for them, flowing with milk and honey,
..........which is the glory of all
lands:
Then said I unto
them,
..........
Cast ye away every man the abominations (filthy spectacle=dung) of his eyes,
..........
and defile (similar to h2490 below) not yourselves
..........
with the idols
of Egypt: I
am the Lord your God. Ezekiel 20:7
Lucifico , a-re, v. a. [lux-facio] , to make bright, to brighten: lucificare
Phτteinos
hκlios (identified with
Apollo or Apollyon and Dionysus)
2. Hκliou
astκr, of the planet Saturn, kantharos hκ. dung-beetle
But they
rebelled against me, and would not hearken unto me:
.......... they did not every man cast away the
abominations of their eyes,
.......... neither did they forsake the idols of Egypt:
then I said,
.......... I will pour out my
fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them
..... .....in the midst of the
land of Egypt. Ezekiel 20: 8
But I wrought for my names sake, that it should not be polluted before the heathen, among whom they were,
..........in whose sight I made myself
known unto them,
..........in bringing them forth out of
the land of Egypt. Ezekiel 20: 9
MIRIAM AND THE JACOB-CURSED AND GOD-ABANDONED LEVITES
PROPHESIED WITH INSTRUMENTS: SINCE THEY WERE NOT GOD'S
ORDAINED PROPHETS THEY PERFORMED AS SORCERERS OR SOOTHSAYERS
ALWAYS THE MARK OF INSTRUMENTS.
God will afflict Miriam with leprosy
when she claims to speak for God. The first meaning of
prophet in the PAGAN sense meant a charismatic, musical
performer. All dramatic performance is INTERPRETATION
which is, according to Paul, just speaking in tongues.
-Prophe-ta I. a foreteller, SOOTHSAYER prophet... oraculorumque interpretes, sacerdotes Aegyptiorum, quos prophetas vocant, [Priestess
of Egpt prophetess call out] Aegyptius, propheta primarius
PHRASE: Aegyptius, propheta primarius 1. Aegyptius,
2. Prophetai
3. Primarius I. one of the first, of the first rank,
chief, principal, excellent, remarkable,
primarius
parasitus,
Plaut. Mil. 3, 1, 73
-Plaut
2.1.73 T. Maccius Plautus, Miles
Gloriosus, or The Braggart Captain
PERIPLECOMENUS You are a simpleton. For, if
you lay anything out on a bad wife and upon an enemy, that
is an expense; that which is laid out on a deserving guest
and a friend is gain; as that, which is expended upon sacred
rites, is a profit to the wise man.
By the blessing of the Gods, I have enough, with which to
receive you with hospitality in my house. Eat, drink,
indulge your tastes with me, and surfeit yourself
with enjoyments; my house is at your service,
myself likewise do I wish to be at your service. For,
through the blessing of the Gods, I may say that,
by reason of my wealth, I could have married a dowered
wife of the best family; but I don't choose to introduce
an everlasting female barker at me into my house.
give me something to give on the
Quinquatrus to
the sorceress [prae-cantrix]
to the woman who
interprets the dreams, to the prophetess, and to
the female diviner; besides, 'tis impossible for
me, in civility, not to fee the expiating
woman;
The "praecantrix"
was a woman who, by her incantations, was powerful
to avert evil.
praecantrix
, īcis, f. praecantor, I. an enchantress,
sorceress pharma^k-eus
sophis-tēs
, A. master of one's craft, adept, expert,
of diviners, Hdt.2.49;
of poets, meletan
sophistais
prosbalon
Pi.I.5(4).28,
musicians, sophistēs
. . parapaiōn
khelun
II. from late v B.C., a Sophist, i.e. one
who gave lessons in grammar, rhetoric, politics,
mathematics, for money,
2. sophist (in bad sense), quibbler,
cheat, Ar.Nu.331,1111,
al., Pl.Sph. 268d;
goēta
kai
sophistēn
onomazōn
D.18.276.
3. later of the rhētores,
Professors of Rhetoric
with modal words added, hoi
s.
tōn
hierōn
melōn
[making melody in a holy place]
"Hariola"
was supposed to be an inspired prophetess.
From below: 6 Is he deranged:
"Hariolus." Literally, "a soothsayer," or "diviner."
In their prophetic frenzy, these persons
often had the appearance of being mad, and were so considered.
Miriam was a tymbrel or sistrum player
Tympanotriba , ae, m., = tumpanotribκs,
I. a taborer, a timbrel-player,
a term of reproach for a soft, effeminate person (alluding to the
priests of Cybele), Plaut. Truc. 2, 7, 49;
cf. tympanum.
T. Maccius Plautus, Truculentus, or
The Churl
STRATOPHANES (to PHRONESIUM.) What
say you? Why have you dared to say that you love another
man?
PHRONESIUM I chose to.
STRATOPHANES Say you so, indeed?
I'll first make trial of that. Do you, for the sake of
such a shabby present, vegetables, and comestibles, and
vinegar-water, bestow your love upon an effeminate,
frizzle-pated,
dark-haunt frequenting, drum-drubbing
debauchee, a fellow not worth a nutshell:
6 Is he deranged:
"Hariolus." Literally, "a soothsayer," or "diviner."
In their prophetic frenzy, these persons
often had the appearance of being mad, and were so considered.
7 Drum-drubbing
debauchee: "Typanotriba." Literally, "drum," or "tambourine
beater." He alludes to the eunuch-priests of Cybele, who used to beat
tambourines in her procession-probably in allusion to debauchees, emasculated by riot and dissipation
All religious
operatives, especially the musicians,
are called PARASITES. That is, since Jesus paid it all
and taught it all there is nothing
left to do but follow the direct
command, Christ and Paul approved examples and the
historic church for almost 400 years.
-Părăsītus
, i, m., = parasitos, lit. one who eats with
another; hence, I. In gen., a guest (pure Lat. conviva):
parasiti Jovis, the gods, Hence, parasitus Phoebi,
a PLAYER. actor,
II. In partic., in a bad sense, one who, by flattery
and buffoonery, manages to live at another's
expense, a sponger, toad-eater,
parasite
-Comically, of a whip: ne ulmos parasitos faciat, that he
will make his elm-twigs stick to me like parasites, i. e.
give me a sound flogging, he tutelar deity
of parasites was Hercules, Plaut. Curc. 2, 3, 79.
Remember
the CODE Diotrephes: Name means begotten or
BELOVED of Jove who is the "old man" who thrusts in the
reaping hook (meaning a musical instrument) about now.
Notes
from 2 Maccabees defining the Abomination of
Desolation
The
tensions which led to the Jewish revolt were
exacerbated when the Jewish high priest, a Hellenist
himself, offered a sacrifice to Heracles (Hercules)
who was a Greek symbol of homosexuality.
KEN CUKROWSKI:
to Deborah (Judges
4:4),
Deborah was a Judge:
when the MEN failed to protect the nation she rose up and
wrote a TAUNT SONG: shame, shame, shame on
you males.
I
have reviewed Rubel Shelly's and the NACC
Charles Dailey effort to force female PROPHESIERS
or musicians into the School of Christ. Mirian
sang at "the places of watering" and never in any sacred
place.
KEN CUKROWSKI:
from Philip's four
daughters (Acts 21:9)
Charles Dailey:
Our
expanded
definition of a prophet helps with another problem passage in
Acts 21:9. Listen to Luke as he narrates:
Leaving the next day,
we reached Caesarea and stayed at the house of Philip
the evangelist, one of the Seven. He had
four
unmarried daughters who prophesied. After we had been there a
number of days, a prophet named Agabus came down from
Judea. Coming over to us, he took Paul's belt, tied his
own hands and feet with it and said, "The Holy Spirit
says, ' In this way the Jews of Jerusalem will bind the
owner of this belt and will hand him over to the
Gentiles.'" (Acts 21 NIV)
The limited definition
of a prophet as one who forthtells or foretells leaves an
unanswered question in this event. If the evangelist Philip had four
daughters
prophesying the
future,
why did God send a man from Jerusalem to Caesarea
to foretell the binding of Paul? A reasonable answer is
that the ladies
were singers and inspired songwriters, not preachers
and proclaimers. Historically, prophetesses were connected with
inspired musical praise to God.
"Singing served as a means of inducing ecstatic
prophecy (speaking in tongues).
Thus the essential
relationship between music and prophecy can be clearly seen.
This relationship also explains why the expression for "making music" and "prophesying" was often identical in
the ancient tongues. origen contra celsum 8.67.
The Hebrew word Naba signifies not only "to prophesy" but also "to make music." (Quasten, Johannes,
Music and Worship in Pagan and Christian Antiquity, p.
39)
We have no record of anything they sang or preached. They definitely were not
authority for women prophets speaking for God. His sending
Agabus is not accidental. Rather, it is to show that
the prophesied prophesying, like the dreaming, was not a
God-ordained ministry of revelation.
Joel prophesies some pretty
bitter things against Israel. Philip was a spirit filled
person. This agrees with the message of God to Miriam:
when He wants something to be known He sends His own man.
Click more on these daughters. This is exactly what Paul
told the Corinthians: "if you are inspired to sing or
speak in tongues you will know that you are not inspired
to reveal: God has sent me to you and I will continue to
reveal His Word to you."
"The Greeks sought the
god's
approval for any important decisions they had to
make. They often went to the temple of Apollo at Delphi, where a priestess
sat over a gas fissure in the volcanic rocks and
muttered unintelligible words of prophecy.
Other priests interpreted her words, which were supposed to
come from Apollo himself.
But the oracle usually
gave people vague instructions that could mean almost
anything--so that, no matter what happened, the priests
could say she was right." (Sumrall, Lester, p. 75, Where
was God when Pagan Religions Began, Thomas Nelson.)
As a PROPHETIC
REBUTTAL OF FALSE TEACHERS: Jesus then sent a true
revealing prophet to Philip to prove that the
prophesying youth was Joel's prophecy of doom to the Jews and not to reveal His will.
Jesus refused to pray for the world or COSMOS:
The Pythagoreans discovered mathematical formulae for the musical harmonies. They believed in the harmony of
the sounds produced by the movement of the stars. They
were one of the DIVERSE groups in Romans 14. Paul thefore
presented the church as SHOOL OF THE BIBLE to silence all
of the diverse musicians.
"Therefore, they spoke
of cosmic
harmony
of the spheres, each of which has a different sound, but all together creating
a harmonious sound. If you delete the half-poetic, mythological elements from such ideas, then you
can say that they had a universal, ecstatic interpretation of reality." (Tillich,
Paul, A History of Christian Thought, Touchstone, p.
333).
kosmos ,
metaph., of ornaments of speech, such as epithets,
Id.9.9
(pl.), Arist.Rh.1408a14,
Po.1457b2,
1458a33;
hadumelē k. keladeinpraise, Pi.O.11
(10).13
(s.v.l.).
Pind.
O. 11 My tongue wants to foster such themes;
[10] but it is by the gift of a god that a man flourishes
with a
skillful mind, as with anything else. For
the present rest assured, Hagesidamus son of Archestratus:
for the sake of your boxing victory,
I shall loudly
sing a sweet song, an adornment for your
garland of golden olive,
[15] while I honor the
race of the Western Locrians.
There, Muses, join in the victory-song; I shall
pledge my word to you that we will find there a race that
does not repel the stranger, or is inexperienced in fine
deeds, but one that is wise and
warlike too.
This goddess then is
clearly something more concise than an image of the starry sky;. Her knowledge of the future of the
universe, of the orders of creation, suggest that she
should be seen as the complete cycle of the ecliptic stars.
The Hindu goddess Svasti
is regarded as the 'Goddess of the home and prosperity'. That her original domain is
more profound can be deduced from her ancient symbol the swastika, said to represent 'cosmic procession and evolution
around a fixed centre'. The prosperity that she guards is
that of the entire cosmos. Her home is the Home of the
Gods, as Plato explains in his description of her Greek
equivalent Hestia;
'When Zeus the great captain of the
host of heaven...rideth forth and disposeth and
overseeth all things . Him followeth the army of Gods and Daemons in eleven orders, for Hestia alone abideth
in the house of the gods.
But all of
the twelve go forth and lead each one the order
whereof he is appointed to be captain '
['Many blessed sights
there be for eye to behold of blessed gods in their
courses passing to and fro within the firmament of
heaven']
That is to say, the
twelve gods of the host of heaven, the zodiacal
constellations, circle around 'the house of the gods', but
the goddess remains at their centre, tending the Hearth of
Heaven. Resource
Strabo
Geography [10.3.10] And on this account Plato,
and even before his time the Pythagoreians, called philosophy music; and
they say that the
universe is constituted in accordance with harmony,
assuming that every form of music
is the work of the gods.
And in this sense, also, the Muses are goddesses,
and Apollo is leader of the Muses,
and poetry as a whole is laudatory of the
gods.
Now most of the Greeks
assigned to Dionysus, Apollo, Hecate, the Muses (9 women team), and above
all to Demeter, everything of an orgiastic [wrath] or Bacchic
or choral
nature, as well as the mystic element in initiations; and they give the name "Iacchus" not only to Dionysus but
also to the leader-in-chief of the mysteries, who is the genius of Demeter.
And branch-bearing, choral dancing, and initiations are common
elements in the worship of these gods.
As for the Muses and Apollo,
the Muses (female pastors) preside over the choruses,
whereas Apollo presides both over these and the rites of divination.
In
Revelation
17 John identified the Mother of Harlots church and in
chapter 18 identified the singers and musicians and
other religious teknokrats SORCERERS who HAD deceived
the whole world. Apollo is Apollyon and the Muses were
the dirty, adulterers who were Apollyon's Musical
Worship Team
But all educated men,
and especially the musicians, are ministers of the
Muses;
and both
these and those who have to do with divination are ministers of Apollo;
and the initiated and torch-bearers and
hierophants, of Demeter; and the Sileni and Satyri and Bacchae, and also the Lenae and Thyiae and Mimallones
and Naοdes and Nymphae and the beings called Tityri, of Dionysus.
Homosexual priests all: in the words of Paul, the knife
slipped and they were emasculated and even sex changed.
KEN CUKROWSKI:
to the female prophets
at Corinth (1 Cor 11:5), mention of their activity dots
both testaments. 12
The pagan THESIS of "prophesying" is that mania or ecstasy
created by wine, drugs or music MUST be achieved before the
gods (demons) would speak to you: the gods never spoke
to people before driving them MAD (David's halal word). Paul
in 1 Corinthians 14 said that everyone spake (sang, pray) in
TONGUES the unbeliever would seen insanity or MANIA.
Sophocles:
Oedipus Tyrannus 708
708] math' k.t.l.: learn that thou canst find
no mortal creature sharing in the art of divination.
1） first, the god himself, speaking through a divinely
frenzied being in whom the human reason was
temporarily superseded （hence the popular derivation of
mantikē from mania）:
Plat. Tim. 71e
mantikēn aphrosunē theos anthrōpinē dedōken: oudeis gar ennous ephaptetai mantikēs entheou kai alēthous: this was much the
same as the Egyptian belief, Hdt. 2.83 mantikē de autoisi ōde diakeetai. anthrōpōn men oudeni proskeetai hē tekhnē, tōn de theōn metexeteroisi.
Plat.
Tim. 71e And that God gave unto man's
foolishness the gift of divination a sufficient
token is this: no man achieves true and inspired
divination when in his rational mind, but only when
the power of his intelligence is fettered in sleep or when
it is distraught by disease or by reason of some divine
inspiration. But it belongs to a man when in his right mind
to recollect and ponder both the things spoken in dream or
waking vision by the divining and inspired nature, and all
the visionary forms that were seen, and by means of
reasoning to discern about them all
Enthousi-asmos ,
ho,
A. inspiration,
enthusiasm, frenzy, Democr.18,
Pl.Ti.71e,
Ph.1.535 (pl.),
S.E.M.9.20 (pl.);
alogos
e.
Phld.Ir.p.67 W.;
produced by certain kinds of music,
Click Arist.Pol.1340a11,
1342a7.
1342a7 Therefore
those who go in for
theatrical music
must be set to compete in harmonies and melodies of
this kind （and since the audience is of two classes,
one freemen and educated people,
and the
other [20] the
vulgar class composed
of mechanics and
laborers
and other such
persons, the latter sort also must be assigned
competitions
and
shows for relaxation; and just as their
souls
are warped from the natural state, so those
harmonies and melodies that are highly strung and
irregular in coloration are deviations, but people of
each sort receive pleasure from what is naturally
suited to them,
Hdt.
2.83 As to the art of divination among them, it
belongs to no man, but to some of the gods; there are in
their country oracles of Heracles, Apollo, Athena, Artemis,
Ares, and Zeus, and of Leto (the most honored of all) in the
town of Buto.
Nevertheless, they have several ways of divination, not just
one.
Prophēt-euō A. to
be a prophētēs or interpreter
of the gods, manteueo, Moisa, prophateusō d' egō Pi.
l.c.; tis prophēteuei theou; who is his interpreter
Mant-euomai 2.
generally, presage, forebode, surmise, of
presentiment,
Opposite. knowledge, Pl.Cra.411b,
R.349a,
II. consult an oracle, seek divinations, Pi.O.7.31,
Hdt.1.46, 4.172, etc.; en Delphoisi Id.6.76;
ho gar theos manteuomenō moukhrēsen en Delphois pote Ar.V.159,
cf. Av.593
moukhrēsen khraō
I. in Act. of the gods and their
oracles, proclaim, abs., khreiōn
muthēsato
Phoibos
[Abaddon, Apollyon] 8.79:
warn or direct by oracle
khraō (B). A. FORMS: contr. I. in
Act. of the gods and their oracles, proclaim, abs.,
khreiōn muthēsato Phoibos 8.79: hē Puthiē [serpent] hoi khra tade Hdt.1.55,
kh. mantesi [mad] Mousais Ar.Av.724
From Charis or Grace:
See Charismatic Worship
b. khrēsthai tini (without philō) to be intimate
with a man, X.Hier.5.2,
Mem.4.8.11
2. esp. of sexual intercourse, gunaixi ekhrato Hdt.2.181,
cf. X.Mem.1.2.29,
2.1.30, Is.3.10, D.59.67.
Ma^nia (A), Ion. -iē, hē, (mainomai)
II. enthusiasm, inspired frenzy,
m. Dionusou para E.Ba.305;
apo Mousōn katokōkhē te kai m. Pl.Phdr. 245a;
theia m., opp. sōphrosunē anthrōpinē, ib.256b, cf.
Prt.323b,
X. Mem.1.1.16;
tēs philosophou m. te kai bakkheias Pl.Smp.218b.
1Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues
of men and of angels,
and have not charity,
I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling
cymbal.
Speaking in tongues would prove that there was NO LOVE and
compared it to lifeless musical instruments.
Speaking in this sense is the Greek;
La^l-eō ,Mark of the
Locusts
III. of musical sounds, aulō [flute] laleō Theoc.20.29; of
trees, v.supr.1.2; di'aulou [flute] ē salpiggos l.[trumpet]
Arist. Aud.801a29; of Echo,
magadin lalein sound the magadis, [double flute]
We noted
that of Miriam and the Levites, they were SOOTHSAYERS
with instruments:
-Prophe-ta I. a foreteller, SOOTHSAYER prophet... oraculorumque interpretes, sacerdotes Aegyptiorum, quos prophetas vocant, [Priestess
of Egpt prophetess call out] Aegyptius, propheta primarius
PHRASE: Aegyptius, propheta primarius 1. Aegyptius,
2. Prophetai
3. Primarius I. one of the first, of the first rank,
chief, principal, excellent, remarkable,
primarius
parasitus,
Plaut. Mil. 3, 1, 73
prophēt-euō A.
to be a prophētēs
or interpreter of the gods, manteueo,
Moisa,
prophateusō
d'
egō
> "Maniac inspirations, the violent
possession which threw sibyls and priestesses into contortions--the foaming lip and streaming hair and glazed or glaring eyes-- have no place in
the self-controlling dignity of Christian inspiration.
Even Jewish prophets, in the paroxysm of emotion, might
lie naked on the ground and rave (1 Sam. xix. 24); but
the genuine inspiration in Christian ages never
obliterates the self-consciousness or overpowers the
reason. It abhors the hysteria and stimulation and frenzy which have sometimes disgraced
revivalism and filled lunatic asylums." (Pulpit Commentary, 1
Cor., p. 460).
> "The religious ecstasy induced by music
expressed itself either in an outburst of emotions, thus giving rise to
religious catharsis, or in a transfer to the state of prophecy. In this way music became an important factor
in divination. In the mysteries of the Magna Mater this relationship between
music and divination is particularyl clear.
Through the din of tambourines, cymbals and flutes
the ecstatic worshiper of the goddess prophesied the future to those
present.
"From time immorial
music had been especially valued in the service of prophecy. Pliny the Elder gives us
a report of the cult of Apis: [Golden
calf, musical idolatry at Mount Sinai]
"In Egypt an ox is honored in place of
the god. He is called Apis and he lives in
isolation. If he ever goes among the people he stalks
along while the lictors make way for him and throngs
of boys accompany him, singing songs in his honor. He
appears to understand what is happening and seems to
wish to be adored. The throngs [of boys] sudddenly
become inspired and prophesy the
future. (Pliny, Natural History)
Consequently Apollo (Abaddon, Apollyon) was god of prophets and musicians and Pan was god of medicine, music and divination.
"Here singing served as a means of inducing ecstatic
prophecy (speaking in tongues).
Thus the
essential relationship between music and prophecy can be clearly seen.
This relationship also explains why the expression for "making music" and "prophesying" was often identical in
the ancient tongues. origen contra celsum 8.67.
The Hebrew word Naba signifies not only "to prophesy" but also "to make music." (Quasten,
Johannes, Music and Worship in Pagan and Christian
Antiquity, p. 39)
The Muses were the "worship team" of
Apollo, Abaddon or Apollyon: they were known to be dirty
adulteresses and John said that they were SORCERERS or
musical PROPHETS.
Mouseios
, A. of or belonging to the Muses,
hedra
E.Ba.410
E.Ion 369;
hē
mania
. . prophēteusasa
with oracular power,
Pl.Phdr.244d:Pass.,
ta
prophēteuthenta
Sch.Od. 12.9.
Hes.
Th. 1 And one day they taught Hesiod
glorious song while he was shepherding his lambs under
holy Helicon, and this word first the goddesses said to
me [25] the Muses of Olympus,
daughters of Zeus who holds the aegis: Shepherds of the
wilderness, wretched things of shame, mere bellies, we
know how to speak many false things as though they were
true; but we know, when we will, to utter true things.
Eur.
Ba. 410 Chorus
Would that I could go to Cyprus,
the island of Aphrodite, where the Loves, who soothe
[405] mortals' hearts, dwell, and to Paphos,
fertilized without rain by the streams of a foreign river
flowing with a hundred mouths. Lead me there, Bromius, Bromius,
god of joy who leads the Bacchae, [410] to Pieria,
beautiful seat of the Muses, the holy slope of Olympus.
There are the Graces, there is Desire;
there it is [415] lawful for the Bacchae to celebrate
their rites.
Chorus
The god, the son of Zeus, delights in banquets,
and loves Peace, giver of riches, [420] goddess
who nourishes youths. To the blessed and to the
less fortunate, he gives an equal pleasure from wine
that banishes grief. He hates the one who does not care
about this: [425] to lead a happy life by day and
friendly
1 night and
to keep his wise mind and intellect away
from over-curious men. [430] What the common people
think and adopt, that would I accept.
THE NINE MUSES AND THE NINE
MAGPIES The Muses
work for Apollo or Abaddon.
So spoke the Muse. And now was heard the
sound
of pennons in the air, and voices, too,
gave salutations
from the lofty trees.
Minerva, thinking
they were human tongues,
looked up in question whence the perfect words;
but on the boughs, nine ugly magpies perched,
those mockers
of all sounds, which now complained
their hapless fate. And as she wondering stood,
Urania, goddess
of the Muse, rejoined;--
"Look, those but
lately worsted in dispute
augment the number of unnumbered birds.--
Pierus was their father, very rich
in lands of Pella; and their mother (called
Evippe of Paeonia) when she brought
them forth, nine times evoked, in labours nine,
Lucina's
aid.--Unduly puffed with pride,
because it chanced their number equalled ours,
these stupid
sisters,
hither to engage
in wordy contest, fared through many
towns;--
through all Haemonia and Achaia came
to us, and said;--
'Oh, cease your empty songs,
attuned to dulcet numbers, that deceive
the vulgar, untaught throng. If
aught is yours
of confidence, O Thespian Deities
contend with us: our number equals yours.
We will not be defeated by your arts;
nor shall your songs prevail.
A PROPHETS ORDAINED BY AN APOSTLE WOULD NOT REVEAL NEW
DOCTRINE.
II. expound, interpret, preach,
under the influence of the Holy Spirit,
IV. to be a quack doctor,
The imaginary trip then asks what does a prophet do.
A "prophesier" sings, claps, plays instruments and DRUMS UP lots
of tithes and offerings by seducing the males. That is why
Christ speaking through Paul outlawed those men who would encourage
their wives and daughters to violate the terminal act of
irreverence and exposing herself to be USED by the wolfish
elders who NEED the women to pay for the massive staff infection
and doing everything but being A school of Christ through the
Word.
But of the Jewish prophets used to PROVE that Miriam was a
propheteSS and not a PROPHET.
And his father
Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, Luke 1: 67
Blessed be the Lord
God of Israel;
for he hath visited and redeemed his people, Luke 1: 68
And hath raised
up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;
Luke 1: 69
As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began: Luke 1: 70
How? Searching what, or what
manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it
testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the
glory that should follow. 1 Pet 1:11
That we should be
(1) saved from our enemies, and
(2) from the
hand of all that hate
us (Satan);
Luke 1: 71
Matt 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit
good; or else make the tree corrupt,
and his fruit corrupt:
for the tree is known by his fruit.
Matt 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being
evil,
speak good things?
for out of the abundance
of the heart the mouth speaketh.
Matt 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart
bringeth forth good things:
and an evil man out of
the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
Matt 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that
men shall speak,
they shall give account
thereof in the day of judgment.
G2190 echthros ekh-thros' From a primary
word ἔχθω echthō (to hate); hateful
(passively odious, or actively hostile);
usually as a noun, an adversary (especially Satan):enemy,
foe.
G2191 echidna ekh'-id-nah Of
uncertain origin; an adder or other poisonous snake (literally
or figuratively):viper.
(3) To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and
(4) to
remember his holy
convenant; Luke 1: 72
The oath which he sware to our father Abraham, Luke 1: 73
(5) That he would grant unto us,
that we being delivered out
of the hand of our enemies [Jewish clergy]
might
serve him without fear, Luke 1:74
(6) In holiness and righteousness before him,
all the days of our life. Luke 1:75
(7) And
thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest:
for thou shalt go before
the face of the Lord to prepare his ways; Luke 1:76
(8) To give knowledge
of salvation unto his people
(9) by the remission of their sins, Lu.1:77
People who corrupt the Word or SELL the free water of the Word
at wholesale certainly make it difficult for we non-Levites to
enjoy the liberty FROM them. But, many (most) are called
but few are chosen (the elect).
eklekt-os , κ, on,
A. picked out, select, dikastai,=Lat. iudices selecti,
2. choice, pure, smurnκ LXXEx.30.23
II. chosen of God, elect, LXXIs.43.20, Ev.Marc.13.20, etc.
klκt-os
, κ, on,
A. invited, Aeschin.2.162, etc.; welcome, Od.17.386.
2. called out, chosen, Il.9.165.
3. invoked, Anon. ap. Suid.
4. summoned to court, PAmh.2.79.5 (ii A.D.).
II. Subst. klκtκ (sc. ekklκsia), hκ, convocation, LXX
Ex.12.16,
Neither the religious or civil ekklesia PERMITTED any member to
make up, compose, preach or perform any of the hypocritic arts.
The resource came from a higher authority. They synagogued
together, read the material and synagogued or collected their
understanding of the assign passage for the week.
Ken
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