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PROOF ONE: WHY
ROYCE OGLE AND THE POST-BIBLICAL THEOLOGIANS CANNOT BE
CHRISTIANS.
John 8:26 I have
many things to say and to judge of you:
but he that sent
me is true;
and I SPEAK to the world those things which I have HEARD of him.
John 8:27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.
SPIRIT is figurative
or a parable to HIDE from the wise or SOPHISTS:
speakers, singers, instrument players, actors or PAY
FOR PLAY. In ALL instances God puts His WORDS into the MOUTH of the Prophets and
Jesus for the last time.
MANDATORY APPROVED
EXAMPLE: AUTOMATIC FOR A CHRISTIAN.
John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them,
When ye have
lifted up the Son of man,
then shall ye
know that I am he,
and that I do nothing of myself;
but as my Father
hath TAUGHT me,
I SPEAK these things.
Spirit
"without measure" or METRON meaning musical meter.
Jesus nor any one in Scripture SANG the Scriptures with
or without instruments. Strabo the historian uses
LOGOS
John 8:29 And he that sent me is with me:
the Father hath
not left me alone;
for I DO
always those things that PLEASE him.
John 8:30 As he spake these WORDS, many
believed on him.
John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed
on him,
IF ye continue
in my WORD, THEN are ye my disciples
indeed;
The Word or
Logos is God's Regulative or Governing principle: it
OUTLAWS Rhetoric, singing, playing instruments, acting
or Fleecing the Flock
http://pineycom.com/RSLogos.html
John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth,
and the truth
shall make you free.
John 8:33 They answered him, We be Abrahams seed,
and were never
in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be
made free?
John 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say
unto you,
Whosoever
committeth sin is the servant of sin.
John 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for
ever:
but the Son
abideth ever.
John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free,
ye shall be free
indeed.
John 8:37 I know that ye are Abrahams seed;
but ye seek to
kill me, because my WORD hath no place in you.
John 8:38 I SPEAK
that which I have seen with my Father:
and ye DO that which ye have
seen with your father.
John 7:18 He that speaketh
of himself seeketh his own glory:
but he
that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same
is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.
Devil Do:
poiētai
4. after Hom., of Poets, compose,
write, p. dithurambon, epea, Hdt.1.23,
4.14;
p. theogoniēn
Epos joined with muthos,
1. song or lay accompanied by music,
8.91,17.519.
2. fiction (opp. logos,
historic truth), THE REGULATIVE
PRINCIPLE
Hdt. 1.23 Periander, who
disclosed the oracle's answer to Thrasybulus, was the
son of Cypselus, and sovereign of Corinth.
The Corinthians say (and the Lesbians agree) that the
most marvellous thing [Lying Wonders] that
happened to him in his life was the landing on Taenarus of
Arion of Methymna,
brought there by a dolphin. This Arion was a
lyre-player second to none in that age; he was the
first man whom we know to compose and name the dithyramb1
which he afterwards taught at Corinth.
Devil Do: LATIN:
făcĭo , to make in all senses, to
do, perform, accomplish,
prepare, produce, bring to
pass, cause, effect, create,
commit, perpetrate, form,
fashion, operor Lying
Wonder, poλma, to
compose, id. Pis.
29, 70: carmina, Juv. 7, 28:
versus, id. 7, 38:
sermonem, Cic. Fam.
9, 8, 1; cf. litteram, id. Ac. 2, 2, 6:
ludos, to celebrate, exhibit, admirationem alicujus rei alicui, to
excite [the Laded Burden],
Devil Do: carmen
I.a tune, song;
poem, verse; an oracular response, a
prophecy; a form of incantation (cf.:
cano, cantus, and canto). note, sound,
both vocal and instrumental also
versus,
numeri,
modi):
carmen
tuba
ista
peregit
( = sonus),
Enn. Ann. 508 Vahl.: carmine
vocali
clarus
citharāque
Philammon,
Ov. M. 11, 317;
cf. vocum,
id. ib. 12, 157:
per
me
(sc. Apollinem)
concordant
carmina
nervis
barbaricum,
id. M. 11, 163.With
allusion to playing on the cithara: The Moher o Harlots in
John 17 Carminibus
Circe
socios
mutavit
Ulixi,
Devil
Do: Commercium
sermonis,
7
In mercant. lang., to
practise, exercise,
follow any trade or
profession: 8. In
relig. lang., like the Gr. rhezein,
to perform or celebrate
a religious rite; to offer
sacrifice, make an
offering, to
sacrifice:
Devil Do: Mousa
II. mousa,
as Appellat., music, song, m.
stugera
A.Eu.308
(anap.); euphamos
Id.Supp.695
Kanakhan
.Clanging Brass
Theias
as
many as made them hope by divinations, Madness
caused by Ritual
worship as divine,
Puthagoran
[Of the Cosmos, the Ecumenical, Kingdom of the Devil."
Antiluron
mousas
S.Tr.643
(lyr.); PLAYING THE LYRE
Aiakō
moisan
phereinI. bear or carry a
load, A Laded Burden
There is no command, example or remote inference of God
violating the REST He gave by calling people into
collective singing with or without instruments. In fact,
instruments are the marks of people denying the Word,
Logos or Regulative principle AND
BURNING.
WHEN GOD TURNED THE JEWS OVER TO WORSHIP THE
STARRY HOST INCLUDING APPLLON-ABADDON, THOSE ORDAINED BY GOD
ACCORDING TO JUDE CLAIM THAT "A" SPIRIT COMMANDED THEM TO
REPEAT THE PATTERN.
Paul said that Eve was wholly seduced as a new bride is
seduced: He also says that CAIN was OF that wicked one. Cain
as a name is a mark "from a musical note."
Genesis 3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is
this that thou hast done?
And the woman said, The
serpent
beguiled me, and I did eat.
Serpo
B.Transf., of things,
to move slowly
or
imperceptibly,
to creep along,
proceed
gradually,
II.Trop.,
to creep,
crawl; to extend
gradually or
imperceptibly; to spread
abroad,
increase,
prevail
per
agmina
murmur,
(bestias)
canam,
Canam,
exsistit
sacer
ignis
et
urit
corpore
serpens,
slowly spreading fire, bring to destruction,
reduce to ruin, destroy
Agmĕna crowded
into a compact mass, Of a snake winding onwards Eap.
of a company of persons, a multitude, troop,
crowd, number, band
1. An army, troop, band, multitude:
clāmor
Of things, noise, sound,
din căvus
, tibia,
id. 2, 620:
bucina
= A. A war-trumpet b.
= inanis, vain, empty: gloria,
Tībĭa
, a pipe, flute (orig. made of
bone; curva
choros
indixit
tibia
Bacchi,
modulate
canentes
tibiae,
Bestĭa
, 2. As a term of reproach (cf. belua and our
beast): mala
tu
es
bestia,
Plaut. Bacch. 1, 1, 21;
id. Poen. 5, 5, 13.And,
humorously, of the odor of the armpits (cf. ala and caper),
Cat. 69, 8.
căno
, cĕcĭni, cantum (ancient I.imp. cante = canite,
once
canituri,
Vulg. Apoc. 8, 13
to utter melodious notes, to sing, sound,
play.
tibicen
cithara,
crowing of a cock: galli
victi
silere
solent,
canere
victores,
to crow,
to practice magic, to charm, Galli
is a word for a Catamite: priest of the Mother Godesses.
"Kenite" is a rendition of Hebrew According to Gesenius,
the name is derived from the name Cain (קַיִן Qayin).[5]
According to A. H. Sayce, the name
`Kenite', Qιnν, is identical an Aramaic word
meaning `a smith', which in its turn is a cognate of Hebrew Quayin,
with the meaning `a lance'.
H7014 qayin
kah'-yin The same as H7013 (with a play upon the
affinity to H7069 ); Kajin, the name of the first child,
also of a place in Palestine, and of an Oriental
tribe:--Cain, Kenite (-s).
H7013 qayin kah'-yin From H6969 in the
original sense of fixity; a lance (as striking fast): spear.
H6969 qun koon A
primitive root; to strike a musical note, that is, chant or wail (at a funeral):
lament, mourning
woman.
BEGUILED IS: dē-cĭpĭo , capio, primarily
signifies to
catch away, catch up,
seize an
animal while running, fleeing,:
amatorem
amicae
decipiunt
vitia,
Hor
. S. 1, 3, 38.
Prometheus
dulci laborum decipitur
sono,
is
beguiled of his sufferings (i. e. forgets his
sufferings,
being beguiled with sweet melody),
Hor. Od. 2, 13, 38.
[ALL music terms point to being
beguiled or SORCERY]
When the Israelites were saved by Active Faith and offered The
Book of the Covenant of Grace (Abrahamic) they rose up to PLAY
in instrumental-trinitarian idolatry. This was a sin beyond
redemption and God sentenced them to captivity and death in
Assyria and Babylon. First, Israel and then Judah REPEATED the
wilderness idolatry and practiced the holocaust of animals and
infants.
Amos 5:26 But ye have borne the
tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images,
the STAR of your
god, which ye made to yourselves.
Acts
7:41 And they made a calf in those days,
and offered sacrifice
unto the idol,
and rejoiced
in the works of their
own hands
From the Golden Calf:
The Canaanites were under Assyro-Babylonian
dominance from 3000 to 1700 BCE. Even by circa 1400 BCE,
their influence was still so great that all correspondence
with Egypt and the Pharaoh was conducted in Babylonian, and
the name of the moon-god Sin formed the basis for the
Canaanite names Sinai and the wilderness of Sin (ERE,
Vol. 3, p. 183). The hand of Sin was seen in the cause of
Catatonia or madness in children - hence, lunacy is
associated with this deity
The practice in the wilderness, Tyre and Jerusalem
Because their musical idolatry was the worship of the Astrial
gods or Sabazianism (Dionysus-Apollo)
Acts 7:42 Then God turned,
and gave them
up to worship the HOST of heaven;
as it is written in
the book of the prophets,
O ye house of
Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and
sacrifices
by the space of
forty years in the wilderness?
Amos 5:27 Therefore will I cause you to
go into
captivity beyond Damascus,
saith the LORD,
whose name is The God of hosts.
Acts
7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch,
and the star
of your god Remphan,
figures which ye
made to worship them:
and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.
The Spirit OF CHRIST IN
ISAIAH 30
Must ye always
rejoice, and go into my holy places
continually, as they that keep a feast? and must ye go with a
pipe, as those that rejoice
into the mountain of the Lord, to the God of Israel
Isaiah 30:29 LXX
and the Lord shall
make his glorious voice to be heard and the wrath of his arm, to make a display with wrath and anger and devouring flame: he shall lighten terribly, and his
wrath shall
be as water and violent hail. Isaiah 30:30 LXX
For by the voice
of the Lord the Assyrians shall be overcome,
even by
the stroke where with he shall smite them. Isaiah
30:31 LXX
And it shall
happen to him from every side, that they from whom
their hope of assistance was, in which he trusted,
themselves shall war against him in turn with drums and with harp. Isaiah 30:32 LXX
For thou shalt be
required before thy time: has it been prepared for thee
also to reign? nay, God has prepared for thee a deep trench, wood piled fire
and much wood: the wrath of the Lord shall be
as a trench kindled with sulphur. Isaiah 30:33 LXX
| The Prototype of Babylon-Tyre Israel.
Sodom
not spiritual Israel. |
Jesus
referenced Isaiah and Ezekiel to define the
national Worship of the Starry Host--Abaddon |
For thus saith the Lord
God; Behold, I will bring upon Tyrus
Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon,
a king of kings, from the north, with horses, and with chariots, and with horsemen, and companies, and much people. Ezek 26:7
They will plunder your wealth
and
loot your merchandise;
they will break down your
walls
and demolish your fine houses
and
throw your stones,
TIMBER and rubble into
the sea. Ezek 26:12
|
Also,
thou son of man, the children of thy
people still are talking against thee by the
walls and in the doors of the houses,
Children or "Boys" In Isaiah 3 are
catamites or male prostitutes part of all
priesthoods.
and speak one to another, every one
to his brother, saying,
Come, I pray you, and hear what is
the word that cometh forth
from the Lord. Eze 33:30
|
I will put an end
[Rest, Repose, to your noisy songs, and
the music [sound] of your harps
will be heard no more. Ezek 26:13
Noisy: Multitudo
Songs: Canticum
chorus canticum Insonuit, magic formula, incantation
any thing
that soothes, charms, or allures,
a charm, blandishment, allurement,
enticement
"And he shall destroy
the multitude of thy musicians, and
the sound of thy psalteries
[cĭthăra]
shall be heard no more." Ezek. 26:13 LXX
|
My people come to
you, as they usually do, and sit before you to
listen to your words,
but they
do not put them into practice.
With their
mouths they express devotion (Lord, Lord as
amorousness - inordinate love),
but their
hearts are greedy for unjust gain (commerce
or trade or attendance). Eze 33:31
|
then I will bring
you down with those who go
down to the pit,
to the people of
long ago
I will make you dwell in the earth
below,
as in
ancient ruins, with those who go down to the
PIT,and you will not return or take your
place in the land of the living. Ezek 26:20
Isaiah 14:11
Thy pomp is brought down to the
grave, and the noise of thy viols:
the worm is spread under thee, and the worms
[maggots] cover thee.
Amos 5:23 Take thou away from me the noise [tŭmultus]
of thy
songs [carmen] for I will
not hear the melody [cantĭcum]
of thy viols
|
Indeed, to them
you are NOTHING MORE
than one
who sings love songs with a beautiful
voice
and [NOTHING MORE than one who]
plays
(make melody on) an instrument well,
for they hear your words
but
do not put them into practice.
Eze 33
|
I will make thee a
terror, and thou shalt be no more:
though thou
be sought for,
yet shalt
thou never be found again, saith the
Lord God. Ezek 26:2
|
When all of this
this comes true--
and it
surely will--
then they
will know that a prophet has been among
them." Eze 33:33
|
Judas
was a thief: his bag or box was
always attached to the spotted flute case.
And God
WATCHED the prophesied and fulfilled Musical Worship
Team
Trumpet, drums, flute, cymbals and castinets with buffoons
Psallo permits ONLY smiting a string with your
FINGERS: not a plectrum
Psallo and SOP have the same root meaning.
One of my last "investments" DRUMMING the audience into
destruction: Russ Adcox part of the Purpose Driven and
KAIROS church planting plot. Kairos is hermes or mercury of
the New Hermeneutics. He is also the pagan LOGOS as a
PERSON. God is LOGOS as Regulative Principle outlawing
rhetoric, personal opinions, personal experiences, singing,
playing instruments or acting as in Self-exhibitio.
The END is marked by BEASTS meaning "a new style of music
and Satyric or Cappella Drama." The Babylon mother of
Harlots is the same beginning mother of harlots and
the pagan "trinity." Her priests in Revelation 18 are
"lusted after fruits" or Dogs identical to those in Amos 8
where the clergy used wine, women and song to STARVE the
people for lack of the Word. The speakers, singers or
instrument players are called SORCERERS and the will be CAST ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.
Revelation
18:22 And the
voice of harpers,
and musicians,
and of pipers,
and trumpeters,
shall be heard no more at all in thee;
and no craftsman,
of whatsoever craft he be, |
All of these define
SOPHISTS: God hides from the wise
Sophis-tēs , master
of one's craft, adept, expert, of diviners,
musicians, sophistēs
. . parapaiōn
khelun
with modal words added, hoi
s.
tōn
hierōn
melōn
Melody in a Holy Place Sophist,
i.e. one who gave lessons in grammar,
rhetoric, politics, mathematics, for money Apollōnidē
sophistē |
and the sound of a
millstone shall be heard no more at all in
thee;
|
The millstone made a "piping" sound and
identified the "grinders" who were also prostitutes.
|
| Revelation 18:23 And
the light of a candle shall shine no more at all
in thee; |
The seven spirits which would rest on
the Branch (Isaiah 11) would all be forms of Divine,
revealed knowledged.
|
and the voice of the
bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more
at all in thee:
See Jeff Walling Women
in Performance: Eve
worshipped as the MEDIATRIX
|
This speaks of the hieros gamus [-Aphroditē).
sexual
love, Venus
Genetrix [Zoe, Eve]
Venus Also know as Matrimonium also Nuptiae (gamos). Marriage.
veneficusa poisoner, sorcerer, wizard; sorceress, witch,
|
| for thy merchants
were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries
were all nations deceived. |
goēs , ētos, ho, A. sorcerer,
wizard, Phoronis g. epōdos
pharmakeus kai sophistēs
|
| Revelation 18:24 And
in her was found the blood of prophets,
and of saints, and of all that were slain upon
the earth. |
Revelation 19:20 And the beast
was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought
miracles before him, with which he deceived them that
had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped
his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire
burning with brimstone
|
6.11.15 Royce Ogle making me so unique that he must
mean wacko. He refuses to let anyone dialog unless they
agree with him. You will notice that Royce follows the
patternism of teachers: to make certain that his views are
identified with the Bible they set you up with what you are
supposed to believe. Preachers know that they couldn't
get paid for their often unbiblical sermons without the
Musical Worship Team to warm up the crowd. In all of
the literature using music to instill the desired conclusion
is called Sorcery or Witchcraft. I am sorry that
posting the text in context along with word definitions
appears so insane.
http://www.pineycom.com/Patternism.Churches.Christ.Sin.Royce.Ogle.html
Patternism
in Churches of Christ: A Template for
Sin: Royce Ogle
http://www.pineycom.com/Royce.Ogle.Legalism.html
Posted by Royce on December
18, 2011Royce
Ogle: I dont remember how I first became
aware of Kenneth Sublett. It was likely through an internet
search, or more likely a comment on someones blog. There is
little doubt that no living person is more dedicated to
keeping musical instruments out of churches of Christ than
this man.
Royce missed that warning from the
female or effeminate "wholly seduction" by the serpent
which is not a snake. The serpent was a musical
enchanter(ess). Christ calls him-her-it the singing
and harp playing prostitute in the garden of Eden.
The Jacob-cursed and God-abandoned Levites performed as
SORCERERS with instruments in the NOT commanded
sacrificial system. The prophecy was that Judas
would try to triumph over Jesus: his Judas Bag was always
attached to a flute case as the triumph-over weapon.
Jesus warns about the rise of the Babylon Mother of
Harlots who uses lusted after FRUITS (same as Amos) as
speakers, singers and instrument players. John calls
them SORCERERS and says they WILL be cast alive into the
lake of fire. So, Ken just quotes God in Christ as a
witness against those who INTENTIONALLY steal the church
houses of widows and honest workers SO THAT they can
convert it into a theater for holy entertainment: been
there and had it done that twice.
After reading something he wrote a few years ago I sent an
email to which he quickly responded. In that email I asked
this question,
Is there any Bible topic
or any theological subject that is more important to you
than instrumental music in churches of Christ?
His answer was stunning. No was
the answer. He went on to tell me how two of his churches had
been stolen by the instrumentalist, so no, nothing was
more important to him than fighting against this evil.
From what Christ called "the singing and harp playing in the
garden of Eden" to the "Babylon mother of harlots" in
Revelation, musical instruments have been used as "magical" to
silence the Words of God. Therefore, instruments are
always connected with God abandoning people and turning them
over and into a lake of fire.
That should be important enough not to mock people who just post
the text.
There is no massive, deliberate sowing of discord to lie, cheat
and steal other people's property and church life which has
not as it's CORE imposing performance singers leading to
Instruments. Mechanical instruments are sourced out of
Satan (says the Bible and all traditions) to SILENCE the Voice
of the Victim: music was always known as Sacred
Violence. Instruments are used as the MARK of those who
intend to SHUT GOD'S MOUTH. If you cannot neuter the
musicators there is no way to prevent masses from being
AFFLICTED. Royce knows of NO OTHER subject which has not
been used to seduce the bloggers and churches.
Royce implies that it is perfectly acceptable to, as
they say, infiltrate and divert a peaceable church of Christ and
turn it into a "Theater for Holy Entertainment." Evil is the:
Men with no Role
and no Dole who cannot
bring themselves to
confront the MASCULINE,
Rational, Spiritual Word
and teach it as it has
been taught now see Godliness
as a means of
financial gain:
OCCUPATION only.
However, it is a fact
that getting paid
for performing with
any of your body
parts when Jesus paid
it all and
taught it all is
called PROSTITUTION.
X.Mem.1.6.13
Xen. Mem. 1.6.1
To this Socrates
replied: Antiphon, it is common opinion among us
in regard to beauty
and wisdom
that there is an honourable
and a shameful way of bestowing
them.
For to offer one's
beauty for money to all comers is called prostitution;
But
we think it virtuous to become friendly with
a lover who
is known to be a man of honour.
So is it with wisdom. Those who offer
it to all comers for money
are
known as sophists, prostitutors
of wisdom,
But we think that he
who makes a friend of one whom he knows to be gifted
by
nature, and teaches him all the good he can,
fulfils the duty of a citizen and a gentleman.
Sophis-tēs
, ou,
o(, A. master of one's craft, adept,
expert, of diviners, Hdt.2.49;
of poets, meletan
sophistais
prosbalon
Pi.I.5(4).28,
cf. Cratin.2; of musicians,
sophistēs
. . parapaiōn
khelun
A.Fr.314, cf. Eup.447, Pl.Com.
140; sophistē
Thrēki
(sc. Thamyris) E.Rh.924,
cf. Ath.14.632c: with
modal words added, hoi
s.
tōn
hierōn
melōn
[melody in the holy place--a death sentence for any
Levite]
MARK:
2 Co.1:12 For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our
conscience,
that in simplicity
and godly sincerity,
not with fleshly wisdom,
but by the grace of God,
we have had our
conversation in the world, and more abundantly to youward.
2 Cor 1:12 Hē gar kaukhēsis hēmōn hautē estin, to marturion tēs suneidēseōs hēmōn, hoti en hagiotēti kai eilikrinia tou theou, kai ouk en sophia sarkikē all' en khariti theou, anestraphēmen en tō kosmō, perissoterōs de pros humas:
NOT THE MUSICAL GRACE:
Kharis : the foregoing
personified, as wife of Hephaestus, Il. 18.382.Pl.,
Kharites, the Graces, handmaids of Aphrodīte, Il. 5.338,
Il. 14.267,
Il. 17.51,
Od. 6.18,
Od. 18.194.
Sophia , Ion. -iē, h(, prop.A.cleverness
or skill in handicraft and art, as in carpentry, tektonos, hos rha te pasēs eu eidē s. Il.15.412; of
the Telchines, Pi.O.7.53;
hē entekhnos s., of Hephaestus and Athena,
Pl.Prt.32
1d; of Daedalus
and Palamedes, X.Mem.4.2.33,
cf. 1.4.2; in music
and singing, tekhnē kai s. h.Merc.483,
cf. 511; in poetry,
Sol.13.52, Pi.O.1.117,
Ar.Ra.882,
X.An.1.2.8,
etc.; in driving, Pl. Thg.123c;
in medicine or surgery, Pi.P.3.54;
in divination, S.OT 502
(lyr.); dusthanatōn hupo sophias eis gēras aphiketo Pl.R.406b;
s. dēmēgorikē, dikanikē, ib.365d; hē peri Homērou s. Id.Ion 542a;
ou sophia alla phusei poiein Id.Ap.22b;
sēmainontes tēn s . . ., hoti aretē tekhnēs estin Arist.EN1141a12:
rare in pl., Pi.O.9.107,
Ar.Ra.676
(lyr.), IG12.522
(vase, v B.C.).
MARK:
2Cor. 2:17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the
word of God:
but as of sincerity, but
as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
17
ou gar esmen hōs hoi polloi kapēleuontes ton logon tou theou, all' hōs ex eilikrinias, all' hōs ek theou katenanti theou en Khristō laloumen.
kapēl-euō ,
A.
to be a retail-dealer, drive a petty trade,
Hdt.1.155, 2.35, Isoc.2.1, Nymphod.21, IG11(2).161
A16 (Delos, iii B. C.), BGU1024 vii 23 (iv A. D.); di' apsukhou boras sitois kapēleu' drive a trade,
chaffer with your vegetable food, E.Hipp.953.
Hdt.
1.155 [3] When Cyrus
heard of this on his journey, he said to Croesus, What end to
this business, Croesus? It seems that the Lydians will never
stop making trouble for me and for themselves. It occurs to me
that it may be best to make slaves of them; for it seems I
have acted like one who slays the father and spares the
children. [2] So likewise I have
taken with me you who were more than a father to the Lydians,
and handed the city over to the Lydians themselves; and then
indeed I marvel that they revolt! So Cyrus uttered his
thought; but Croesus feared that he would destroy Sardis,
and answered him thus: [3
O King, what you say is reasonable. But do not ever yield to
anger, or destroy an ancient city that is innocent both of the
former and of the present offense. For the former I am
responsible, and bear the punishment on my head; while
Pactyes, in whose charge you left Sardis,
does this present wrong; let him, then, pay the penalty.
[4]
Grant, then, forgiveness to
the Lydians,
and to make sure of their never
rebelling against thee, or alarming thee more,
send and forbid them to keep any
weapons of war,
command them to wear tunics under their cloaks, and to put
buskins upon their legs,
......
....and make them bring up their sons to cithern-playing (Kitharizein), singing (psallein),
...
.......and
shop-keeping
(Hucksterism).
So wilt thou
soon see them become women instead of men,
and there will be no more fear of their revolting from
thee
John speaks of the LOCUSTS which in the literature are the
MUSES (Rev 18:22) known as dirty as dirty adultersses.
It would be a rare MARK when males fell into this. The
Locust CAST OUT Christ's elect and holds those with the mark
of the beast (a new style of music and drama) captive so they
CANNOT revolt against the unleased Apollo (Abaddon, Apollyon).
II.
c. acc., sell by retail, ton herpin Hippon.51.
2.
metaph., k. ta prēgmata, of Darius, Hdt.3.89; k. ta mathēmata sell
learning by retail, hawk it about,
Pl. Prt.313d;
k. ton logon tou theou 2 Ep.Cor.2.17;
so eoiken ou kapēleusein makhēn will not peddle in
war, i. e. fight half-heartedly, A.Th. 545; k. tē Khariti tēn amoibēn Epicur.Sent.Vat.39;
k. tēn politeian traffic in
grants of citizenship, D.C.60.17;
k. tēs hōras anthos or tēn hōran, of prostitutes, Ph.2.394,576;
eirēnēn pros Rhōmaious Khrusiou k. Hdn.6.7.9;
tukhē kapēleuousa . . ton bion playing tricks with
life, corrupting it, AP9.180
(Pall.).
Eilikrineia (g1505( i-lik-ree'-ni-ah; from 1506; clearness,
i.e. (by impl.) purity (fig.): - sincerity.
The EVIL is lying about all of the Bible and church history to
say that when God ABANDONED Israel to worship the starry host on
their way back to Babylon is NOT as revealed by "a" spirit God's
Command that WE must have YOUR church and if necessary cast you
out of your synagogue so we can perform instrumental music AS
worship.
God hates those who took the music INTO the Gerezim temple, said
that they STARVED people for lack of the Word, defined them by
the sign of the SUMMER FRUITS (dogs, Catamites)
and said that He would never pass by again.
Amos
5 Amos 8
Revelation 17 speaking of the end-time rise of the Babylon
Mother of Harlots uses the same "lusted after fruits" as
speakers, singers and instrument players: John calls them the
same sorcerers who HAD deceived the whole world and they would
be cast alive into the lake of fire. Christ defined
the PROPHETIC TYPE in Isaiah 30 where the MARKS in
sight and sound of God driving His enemies into "hell" will be
the Wind, String and percussion instruments. Christ said
that Lucifer brought instruments which discorded the unstable
into the Garden of Eden "as a singing and harp-playing
prostitute."
Martin Luther said something like "If you do not address the
attack upon the church at hand then you are a coward." The issue
at hand is a well financed effort to define ANTI-instrumental
churches of Christ as legalists and patternists.
Since that is the well-documented but little successful effort
to RESTRUCTURE all churches of Christ. the important
issue at hand is to convince people that Royce Ogle, who defends
all of the sowers of discord, just fabricate the notion of MUSIC
as having any part in the Synagogue or Church of Christ.
Royce would identify fanatices as those who oppose the fanatics
boasting about "infiltrating and diverting" your
church and destroy the unity of the group to "turn it
into a theater for holy entertainment." That is the Purpose
Driven Cult's purpose to my direct knowledge.
Music has always
been the MARK of people who refuse to just read
and discuss the Word of God.
We know from the boasts that music was the weapon
evil men intended to use to force churches of Christ to join
with the NACC as instrumental churches. For
instance, we wrote about Rick Atchley a decade before he
heard that "spirit" tell him it was time to preach that
sermon as the And/Or silliness to justify the use of
instruments. In the same wineskins:
Rick
Atchley: The era of the progressive
Church of Christ is over.
Back in the 80s you could
go to any major city, especially in the South, and
you could find a progressive Church of
Christ and if they would preach grace, and
if they would put words on a screen, and if
they would let divorced people place
membership, they would grow.
The generation of Boomers
has enough denominational loyalty that theyre
going to find the least legalistic
Well, we discipled
the children of those progressive churches
for a whole generation to grow
past us Boomers.
They never heard the sermons
we heard.
They never heard the rationale
for a cappella music.
We sent them to youth
rallies and Church of Christ events
with some of the finest
Christian bands in the world.
We discipled our children
to leave our Movement!
The
title of this article is rather strong indictment. Tell me
Im wrong! At least one book has been written, plus scores
of articles in periodicals and on blogs, condemning North
Richland Hills Church of Christ in Texas, for its
decision to include instrumental music in one of many
Sunday services.
IF THAT WAS THE
PLANNED AGENDA ALMOST TWO DECADES AGO THEN WHY WOULDN'T
ROYCE OGLE NOT BE TROUBLED THAT THE AGENDA WAS TO
ADD INSTRUMENTS INTO ALL PEACEABLE CHURCHES OF CHRIST.
That thing that
usually gets one banned from bloggervile is the absolute
proof from the "singing and harp playing prostitute in the
garden of Eden" to the Babylon mother of whores who uses
lusted after "fruits" [same as used by Amos] as speakers,
singers and instrument players Jwhich ohn identified as sorcerers
in Revelation 17-18.
Nimrod led about
a musical chorus and promised that he could "regenerate
morals by external means." He was the hunter AGAINST
God as the Beast is in Revelation.
"Philodemus
considered it paradoxical that music should be regarded as
veneration of the gods while musicians were paid for performing this so-called veneration.
Again, Philodemus held as self-deceptive the view that
music mediated religious ecstasy. He saw the entire condition
induced by the noise of cymbals and tambourines as a disturbance of the spirit.
He found it
significant that, on the whole, only women and effeminate men fell into this folly.
Accordingly, nothing of value could be
attributed to music; it was no more than a slave of the sensation of pleasure, which satisfied
much in the same way that food and drink did.
"Now, many a man from the false religions, which are not ashamed of criticising what is noble, will ask: how can there be
a feast without carousing and overeating, without the pleasant company of hosts and
guests, without quantities of unmixed wine, without richly set tables
and highly stacked provisions of everything that pertains
to a banquet, without pageantry and jokes,
bantering and
merry-making to the accompaniment of flutes and citharas, the sound of drums and cymbals and other effeminate and frivolous music of every king,
enkindling
unbridled lusts with the help of the sense of hearing. For in and through the
same [pleasures] those persons openly seek their joy, for what true joy is
their they do not know.
"Women and girls from the different ranks of
society were proud to enter the service of the gods as singers and
musicians.
The
understanding of this service was universal: these singers
constituted the 'harem of the gods'." (Fr Johannas Quasten)
"The trained musicians which eventually appear
around the time of David and Solomon mark a distinctive change
in the history of Jewish music.
Before this time
much of the music was made by women." (Zondervan Pict.,
Music p. 313)
"Before the establishment of the kingdom under Saul, it
was the women who, as in every young
civilization, played a major part in the performance of
music. Such figures as Miriam, Deborah, Jephthah's
daughter, and the women hailing the young hero David have
become almost archetypes of female musicians.
"Characteristic of all these cases is the
familiar picture of a female chorus, dancing and singing, accompanied by frenzied drum-beating.
This is the scene
known to the entire Near East, and not "even the severe rule of Islam could wholly suppress this
age-old practice." (Int Dict of the Bible, Music, p.
457).
THOSE WHO HAVE FALLEN INTO THE GRASP OF MUSIC AND
MUSICIANS WILL SAY THEY CANNOT UNDERSTAND THAT! :-)
If disciples know
that the CENI is to teach what Jesus Christ
commanded to be taught and observed, and we know that
Christ outlawed vocal or instrumental rejoicing
including elevated form of speech [Synagogue],
then
we know that when men deliberately lie about all of the
"instrument passages" they intend to "silence the voice of
the victim." If Hezekiah's plague stopping exorcism used
as THE proof for imposing instruments was almost three
hundred years removed from the patternism David used to
stop a plague, isn't it pretty hard to stretch that to
three times in a week?
History knows
that music in sacrificial systems (not commanded by God)
was called SACRED VIOLENCE. The Levites
made that "music" to warn any godly civillian that they
would be executed if they remained inside the
gates. Their prophesying with instruments is defined as
SOOTHSAYING with instruments. This is what God commanded
through Moses: David and not God commanded instruments to
be used by Levites who stood in ranks to stick you with a
sword if you came near.
By using the Levites
as authority to say that a spirit told him that
God commanded instrumental praise and we MUST NOT be
disobedient, those preaching "instruments" are teaching
the PROPHETIC TYPE of Soothsayers with Instruments
warning that you would be killed if you entered into the
Holy Place as a prophetic type of the body of Christ.
If you have been
suckered into agreeing with intentional sowing
of discord to "prune" your church to make a way for using
instruments and instrumentalists then you will NOT pay
attention and understand the facts.
Christ wrote
through the prophets and the Church is built upon
the Prophets and Apostles. All of the
prophets associate instruments with the pagan religion
Israel brought with them from Egypt.
Christ identifies
the Lucifer Character as "the singing and harp
playing prostitute" in the garden of Eden. If
someone wants to do that in your church why do you believe
that you have failed to be a watchman on the wall.
Why would you mock those who refuse to take your
mark? If Christ defined the MARKS in sight
and sound of God driving His enemies into "hell"
then how can you take the list compiled by the NACC and a
few dupes to COMMAND people to do just that?
CHRIST
IN ISAIAH SPEAKS WITHOUT FORKED TONGUE.
And his breath [SPIRIT], as rushing water in a valley, reach reach as
far as the neck, and be divided, to confound the nations for their vain error; error also shall pursue
them and overtake
them.
Isaiah 30:28 LXX
Must ye always
rejoice,
and go into my holy places continually,
as they that keep
a feast?
and must ye go with a pipe, as those that rejoice into
the mountain of the Lord, to the God of Israel Isaiah
30:29 LXX
and the Lord shall make
his glorious
voice to be heard and the wrath of his arm, to make a display with wrath and anger and devouring flame: he shall lighten terribly, and his wrath shall be as water and violent hail. Isaiah 30:30 LXX
For by the voice of the
Lord the Assyrians shall be overcome, even by the stroke where with he shall smite
them. Isaiah 30:31 LXX
And it shall happen to
him from every side, that they from whom their hope of
assistance was, in which he trusted, themselves shall war against him in turn with drums and with harp. Isaiah 30:32 LXX
For thou shalt be
required before thy time: has it been prepared for thee also to
reign?
nay, God has prepared for thee a deep trench, wood piled fire and much wood: the wrath of the Lord shall be as a trench kindled with sulphur. Isaiah 30:33 LXX
"This
valley
was early selected as the seat of the worship of Moloch, where his rites were
celebrated by erecting a huge brazen image with a hollow trunk and
arms, which was heated, and within which, or on the arms
of which, children were placed as a sacrifice to the
horrid idol. To drown their cries, drums were beaten, which were called Tophim."
(Barnes, Isaiah 33, p. 463).
"We may understand a
thing as spoken generally, even when it requires a certain
special interpretation to be given to it. For some things
spoken with a special reference contain in them general
truth.
When God admonishes the
Isrealites of their duty, or sharply reproves them,
He has surely a
reference to all men;
when He threatens destruction to
Egypt and Ethiopia,
He surely
pre-condemns every sinning nation, whatever.
If, reasoning from species
to genus, every nation that sins
against them is an Egypt and Ethiopia; so also, reasoning
from genus
to species, with reference to the origin of shows,
every show is an assembly of the wicked.
LEAPING TO FINAL CHAPTER FOR US
John
repeats
the punishment of the Soothsayers with instruments
(Levites) or Sorcerers with Instruments
(Revelation 18) saying they will be cast alive into the
Lake of Fire. The church in the wilderness was a
synagogue: a school of the Word of God. It is
exampled by the Ekklesia: in Athens the Ekklesia met
roughly each week: it was for reading resources from a
higher authority, discussing or debating the material and
reaching a conclusion. All of the personal speeches,
songs, dances and selling of things was quarantined to the
Agora or marketplace. The word PSALLO actually
defines the polluted red rope the slaves used to force
those who dallied around the singing boys and girls to go
to the Pnx and the ekklesia. When they arrived they would
be marked, fined and prohibited from speaking in the
assembly. Church is carefully derived from Kirk or
Circe who is the Babylon mother of harlots in revelation
17. Circe points to assemblies which were "circuses"
and not assemblies where Christ was the only speaker when
the elders (only) teach that which has been taught. Church
in its modern "progressive" stage as a theater for holy
entertainment IS the harlot church and she RIDES or
depends totally on the performing artists are beasts. True
to form, when the sterile leadership invites the beast to
come and help them find the money, the goal of the beasts
is to silence the elders, preachers and Christ.
Kirke from which we get the word CHURCH was:
Initially
a Hunter Goddess and Lady of the Beasts of
Kolchis named Aeaea 'ululation,'[halal] she
became the funerary Goddess of the island known by her
name. Kalypso 'concealer,' Argeia 'bright,' and
often Medea 'wise one' who was sometimes called her neice
instead. Klymene's daughters were the keepers of golden
horned cattle in the lands of the Dead, the Heliades or Merope 'eloquent' or 'bee eater,' Helia 'sun,' Phoebe 'bright,' Aetheria 'heavenly one,' Dioxippe
'divine mare,' Lampetia 'beaming one,' Koronis 'crow or raven,' Aegile 'bright,' Lamethusa 'light being,' Phatusa 'bright being,' and Elektryone 'beaming on
And
how is Circe pictured in the classical accounts? She
is shown holding a golden cup in her hand
mixed with wine and drugs through which she
controlled the kings of the world (among whom was
supposed to be Ulysses). Now for a fact! This Goddess is
also found in the symbolic teaching of the Bible.
She is nothing less than the Great Whore who
sits on many waters and seven hills who masterminds
Mystery Babylon. Listen to what God says: "I will show thee
the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many
waters: with whom the kings of the earth have committed
fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made
drunk with the wine of her fornication
having a golden cup
in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her
fornication. And upon her forehead was a name written,
MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND
ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH" (Revelation 17:2-5, note that the
capitalization is in the original KJV).
This is a clear biblical description of the
Goddess of the classical world known as Circe (or
"Church"), the great sorceress. As a matter of fact,
when Circe (the original "Church") died she was buried on
one of the islands of the Pharmacusii group in the Aegean
Sea in eyesight of the Isle of Patmos
where the apostle John saw most of the Book of Revelation.
God has allowed the name "Church" (the Great Whore) to adorn
all Christian churches in existence, if the churches use the
name "church" to describe themselves. Ernest L.
Martin, Ph.D., 1998
The Beast power is not a quadraped:
Thērion , to (in form Dim. of thēr),
A. wild animal,
esp. of such as are hunted, mala gar mega thērion ēen, of a stag, Od.10.171,
180
(never in Il.); in Trag.
only in Satyric drama,
III. as a term of reproach,
beast, creature, , cf. Eq.273;
kolaki, deinō thēriō Pl.Phdr.240b;
Kolax , a^kos, ho,
2. in later Gr., = Att. goēs, Moer.
p.113 P.
II. lisping pronunciation
of korax, Ar.V.45.
Judges 12:5 And the Gileadites took the passages
of Jordan before the Ephraimites: and it was so, that when
those Ephraimites which were escaped said, Let me go over;
that the men of Gilead said unto him, Art thou an
Ephraimite? If he said, Nay;
Judges 12:6 Then said they unto him, Say now Shibboleth:
and he said Sibboleth: for he could not frame to
pronounce it right. Then they took him, and slew
him at the passages of Jordan: and there fell at that time
of the Ephraimites forty and two thousand.
Goēs , ētos, ho, A. sorcerer,
wizard epōdos Ludias apo khthonos E.Ba.234
2. juggler, cheat, deinos g. kai pharmakeus kai sophistēs Pl.Smp.203d;
deinon kai g. kai sophistēn . . onomazōn D.18.276;
apistos g. ponēros Id.19.109;
magos kai g
Sophis-tēs , ou, ho, A. master of
one's craft, adept, expert, of diviners, with modal
words added, hoi s. tōn hierōn melōn [MELODY IN THE SHRINE]
3. later of the rhētores, Professors
of Rhetoric, and prose writers of the Empire,
such as Philostratus and Libanius, Suid.;
Apollōnidē sophistē
[Abaddon, Apollyon]
PHARMAKIA identifies the speakers, singers
and instrument players in Revelation 18: John called
them sorcerers and says they will be (are) cast
alive into the lake of fire.
Plat.
Phaedrus 240b has mingled with most of them some
temporary pleasure;
[hēdonē 3. Pl., desires after pleasure,
pleasant lusts, X.Mem.1.2.23,
Ep.Tit.3.3,
]
kha^rizō , fut.[GRACE]
3. in erotic sense, grant favours to a man,
Ar.Ec.629
(anap.), Pl.Smp.182a,
Phdr.231c,
256a, X.Mem.3.11.12,
etc.: hence of Comedy,
The Beast defined by the clause:
mousikκ aei ti kainon thκrion
tiktei
A.
Mousikos, musical, agτnes m. kai
gumnikoi choroi te kai agτnes ta mousika music,
II. of persons, skilled in music,
musical, X.l.c., etc.; poiκtikoi kai m. andres
Pl.Lg.802b ; kuknos [minstrel] kai alla zτia; peri
aulous - professional
musicians, mousikos
kai melτn poκtκs, use with singing,
skilled in speaking before a mob. Melody,
B. aei always
C. kainos , esp. of new dramas,
the representation of the new tragedies, (Aphrodisias
dedicated to Aphrodite (ZOE); comedy, sexual love,
pleasure, a woman's form of oath, Aster or Venus
[Lucifer] or ZOE.
Therion
D. Tikto mostly of the mother
E. of Rhea [Zoe, Eve] one of
the zoogonic or vivific principles
That may mean noting but it is part of the universal
association between instruments as weapons of sorcery using
external means to instill false teachings. You have to
TRUMP that in order to IMPOSOE music as part of the School of
Christ knowing that you will sow discord and steal the church
house of widoes.
That makes imposing instruments into a Church of Christ the
invasion of the soul snatchers. That is pretty important
since music defacto means "to silence the voice of the victim.
IF ROYCE CANNOT
UNDERSTAND THAT THEN DON'T BLAME ME.
Royce Ogle:
Early in 2010 I was asked to write an article for New
Wineskins online magazine. The article I wrote
was entitled: Patternism in Churches of Christ A
Template for Sin. I also published the
same article on this blog.
THE
pattern in the Church of Christ (the Rock)
was:
INCLUSIVE to Rest, Read and Rehearse the Word of God
(only)
EXCLUSIVE of vocal or instrumental rejoicing including the
SOPHISTS as speakers, singers and instrument players.
We have shown above that all of the PERFORMERS getting
paid to silence Christ are called sorcerers and
prostitutes.
Royce Ogle wants
to ADD three or four more PIECES to the PATTERN.
Of course the
"patternism" word is a RACA word intending to ridicule
those who refuse to added INSTRUMENTS when churches under
that name had NEVER seen instruments as suitable backup
music when Christ comes to be out only Master Teacher when
the elders teach that which has been taught.
After Royce
refused to be questioned by "old timer" I wrote this
reviewed the article:
Patternism
in Churches of Christ: A Template for Sin: Royce Ogle
Royce and all of the pro instrumental which often intends to sow
discord to purge the flock does not understand that there was a
prophesied (Gen 4) fork in the Road between the
Civil-Military-Clergy complex which God abandoned to worship the
starry host and the godly tribes quarantined to the Qahal,
synagogue or Church of Christ in the Wilderness. If one
can read Acts 7 they would understand that their PATTERN for
musical worship was repudiated and got Stephen murdered.
Because neither king, kingdom, temple, animal slaughter or
instrumental exorcism noises were commanded, the Spirit OF
Christ in the prophets warns about the Lying Pen of the
Scribes.
Stand in the gate of the Lords house [courts], and proclaim
there this word,
and say, Hear the word of the
Lord, all ye of Judah,
that enter in at these gates to
worship the Lord. Jeremiah 7:2
Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel,
Amend your ways and your doings,
and I will cause you to dwell
in this place. Jeremiah 7:3
Trust ye not in lying words, saying,
The temple of the Lord,
The temple of the Lord,
The temple of the Lord, are these.
Jeremiah 7:4
Jer. 8:8 How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD
is WITH US?
LO, CERTAINLY IN VAIN MADE HE IT;
THE PEN OF THE SCRIBES IS in
vain.
For I spake NOT unto your fathers, nor commanded them
in the day that I brought them out
of the land of Egypt,
concerning burnt offerings or
sacrifices: Jeremiah 7:22
Cyril of Alexandria,
Commentary on John,
That the Pharisees puffed
up unto strange boasting,
were wont to pretend
that the Divine Word
was with them and in them,
and therefore foolishly
affirmed that they had advanced to marvellous wisdom,
the Spirit Itself will
testify,
since Christ says by the Prophet
Jeremiah unto
them,
How do ye say, WE are wise, and
the word of the Lord is with us?
For nought
to the scribes
became their lying
pen;
the wise
men were ashamed,
were dismayed and taken;
what wisdom
is in them? because they rejected the word of the Lord.
For how are they not taken rejecting
the Living and Hypostatic Word of God,
receiving not
the faith to Him-ward,
but dishonouring the Impress of God the Father,
and refusing
to behold His most true Form (so to say)
through His God-befitting
Authority and Power?
I TRULY BELIEVE PEOPLE CANNOT READ THAT
The Church of Christ was and is built upon the foundation
(teachings) of the Prophets and Apostles. The
universal CENI connected to the assembly for teaching only.
John 6:44 No man can come to me,
except the Father which hath sent
me draw him:
and I will raise him up at the
last day.
John 6:45 It is WRITTEN IN THE PROPHETS
And they shall be all taught
of God.
Every man therefore that hath
heard,
and hath learned of the Father,
cometh unto me.
2Pet. 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words
which were spoken before by
the HOLY PROPHETS
and of the commandment of us
the APOSTLES of the Lord and Saviour:
That is interpreted to mean that Jesus identified the
PROPHETS by the Spirit of Christ as the teaching resource.
A disciple does not ask whether they can add their OWN scripture
in sermon and song.
IT WAS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST WHO SPOKE THROUGH THE
PROPHETS AND NOT LYING SCRIBES whom He called
hypocrites by naming speakers, singers and instrument
players in Ezekiel 33.
Interpreted: a rhetorician, singer and instrument player or
actor is THE definition of a hypocrite.
True: Jesus didn't say "thou shalt not be a hypocrite" but why
is it impossible to understand that Jesus identified all of the
religious performers as hypocrites?
Ezek. 33:30 Also, thou son of man,
the children of thy people still are talking
against thee
by the walls and in the doors of the
houses,
and speak one to another, every one to
his brother, saying,
Come, I pray you, and hear
what is the word that cometh forth
from the LORD.
Ezek. 33:31 And
they come unto thee AS the people cometh,
and they sit before thee AS my
people,
and they hear thy words, but they
will not do them:
for with their mouth they shew much love,
but their heart goeth after their covetousness.
I will be happy to interpret that.
Ezek. 33:32NET Realize that to them
you are like a sensual song,
[Nothing more than]
a beautiful voice and skilled
musician.
They hear your words, but they do
not obey them.
Ezek. 33:33 When
all this comes trueand it certainly will
then they will know that a prophet was among them."
Why is Jesus defining Scribes and Pharisees
as hypocrites so hard to understand?
Christ in Ezekiel 33 defined speakers, singers and musicians
as hypocrites.
The Scribes made up their own songs and sermons: Jesus refused
to be civil to them.
It is a fact that nothing as part of the worship of the
starry host contributed any saving power:
1Pet. 1:10 Of which salvation the PROPHETS
have inquired and searched diligently,
who prophesied of
the grace that should come unto you:
1Pet. 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time
the Spirit of
Christ which was in them did signify,
when it testified
beforehand the sufferings of Christ,
and the glory that
should follow.
OF is a preposition: the Spirit OF CHRIST is that
Spirit which belongs to Christ: it is never another god person
who speaks "beyond sacred pages." Christ defined the
church and salvation in the PROPHETS. Why is it so hard to
understand that to mean that He did NOT speak through the
priests, kings or musicians?
God did NOT speak through the lying pen of the Scribes
who recorded the Monarchy which God had NOT commanded. He does
not speak through rhetoricians, singers and musicians which are
legalistic aids for the incompetent. If the Scribes lied about
animal slaughter, and Christ in the prophets said God had NOT
commanded any such thing, then modern preachers who IMPOSE that
patternism cannot be called either honest nor literate.
Heb. 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers
manners
spake in time past unto
the fathers by the prophets,
Can you understand that God in Christ spoke by the PROPHETS?
The prophets were mortal enemies of the Civil-Military-Clergy
complex who always murdered the prophets. Can you doubt
any preacher who uses the ANTI-prophets as the
legalistic patternism for replacing the Word of Christ (spirit)
with their OWN songs and sermons. I know, Peter did not
say that god DID NOT speak through the musicians! But, why would
a lover of truth have such a twisted pattern?
Why are churches under attack at all of the unity forums and
gatherings at once-Christian universities NOT able to tell the
world that Rick is reading off the NACC white paper which has no
truth in it?
Heb. 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us BY
HIS SON
whom he hath appointed
heir of all things,
by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb. 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory,
and the express image of
his person,
and upholding all things by the WORD
of his power,
when he had by himself purged our sins,
sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high
The Word of HIS power is repudiated by
all song and sermon writers. Is it hart to understand that
Jesus did not command any form of "music" in the assembly
(synagogue) when He met with the disciples two first days of
the week in a row. Neither did any Bible writer
command singing with or without instruments.
The command is to SPEAK the
Biblical text with one mind and one mouth.
The inherent result is that both singing (making noises) and
melody are IN THE HEART as a place.
Philippians 3:2 Beware of dogs, beware of
evil workers, beware of the concision.
Philippians 3:3 For we are the circumcision,
which worship God in
the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus,
and have no
confidence in the flesh.
MANY TIMES Paul warned against the instrumental patternism
1Corinthians 10:6 Now these things were our EXAMPLE,
to the intent we
should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
1Corinthians 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were
some of them; as it is written,
The people sat down to eat
and drink, and rose up to play.
Paizō
5. play amorously,
pros allēlous
"The triumphal hymn of Moses had unquestionably a religious
character about it; but the employment of music in religious services, though idolatrous, is more distinctly marked in the festivities which
attended the erection of the golden calf." (Smith's Bible
Dictionary, Music, p. 589).
And, yet almost ALL preachers will
claim that GOD COMMANDED instrumental worship in the Old
Testament. That is clearly lying about
Christ in all of the prophets and the story in Acts 7 which
got Stephen murdered.
Royce Ogle: You can read it here. Mr. Sublett took issue what I had
written and attempted to leave 9 different comments.
His comments were very difficult to understand for the most
part and so I chose to approve only one of them.
Mr. Sublett knew
fully well that Royce had no intention of letting his
post appear on his forum. That seemed so timid.
Mr. Sublett was not in a senile fit but each post
was the only way to serve Royce notice that
I had posted something he should read if he wanted to know
what I was writing. Wasn't that pretty slick for an ole
timer?
I get that same
response when I just quote the Bible. Things may
not make sense because one has been reared in the
patternism of "religious services" even
when Jesus said that the Kingdom of God does not come with
Religious observations. That will not make sense because
no one cares enough to look up OBSERVATION and find that
Jesus was talking about the laded burden of the Scribes
and Pharisees. Jesus called them hypocrites by
quoting Isaiah 6 and Ezekiel 33. That won't make sense
unless you care enough to know that a hypocrite is a
preacher, singers or instrument players in those meetings.
Royce Ogle: A few days ago Mr. Sublett left a comment on
another post I had written here and again I chose not
to approve it. And, in fairness to him I sent an email
saying that his comment did not address the subject at hand
and invited him to comment again if his comment addressed
the subject at hand.
Royce Ogle says he COULD NOT UNDERSTAND
my post but it did not address HIS agenda. In dialog Royce
gets to make a statement and others get to answer it.
Royce Ogle: Well, our back and forth emails continued
for a while. Finally I asked for, and was given
permission to post here on GraceDigest the whole, unedited
transcript. The reason I chose to do this is because
Mr. Sublett feels he is not treated fairly by most
progressive bloggers who routinely ignore his comments. So I
thought I would give his ideas perhaps a different audience
than is usual.
I don't remember
that "treated unfairly" thingy: my
assertion is that false teachers have learned how NOT
to ever never respond to anyone who opposes their
teaching. I wasn't whining I was just identifying. I
just feel that it is not manly to post something which
seems so unbiblical and then refuse to let people
contradict it. Maybe Royce is too much in the 'just
love' false thingy.
Well, Darn, I
knew that Royce wouldn't be able to comprehend: when you
tamper with the Word God sends strong delusions: the proof
is Lying Wonders which includes all the performing arts
and crafts MAKING CERTAIN that you will never
understand. Here is something simple where Preach or
Speak is defined as the OPPOSITE of poetry or music.
2Timothy 4:2 Preach
the word; be instant
in season,
out of season;
reprove, rebuke,
exhort
with all longsuffering and doctrine.
Greek
kērussō , Att. kēruk-ttō , Dor. ka_russō : to be a
herald, officiate as herald, kērussōn gēraske Il.17.325.
Greek Reprove:
Elegkhō , Od.21.424,
disgrace, put to shame, muthon e. treat a speech with
contempt, Il.9.522;
e. tina put one to
shame, Od. 21.424.
II. cross-examine, question, Hdt.2.115,
Pl.Ap.18d,
c. acc. et inf., accuse one of doing, E.Alc.1058:Pass.,
to be convicted, Hdt.1.24,117;
2. test, bring to the proof,
andrōn aretan pagkratēs elegkhei alatheia
4. refute, confute, tina or ti, Pl.Grg.470c,
al., D.28.2, Luc.Nigr.4:Pass.,
Pl.Tht.162a;
khrusos klēidas elegkhei proves that
they avail not,
b.
put right, correct, prove by a reductio ad impossibile,
7. decide a dispute, ana meson tōn duo LXX Ge. 31.37.
Latin: Argŭo . A..
In gen., to make clear, to show, prove,
make known, declare, assert
a. With aliquem, to attempt to show
something, in one's case, against him, to
accuse, reprove, censure, charge
with:
1. To accuse, censure, blame:
ea culpa, quam arguo, Liv. 1, 28:
peccata coram omnibus argue, Vulg. 1 Tim. 5, 20:
tribuni plebis dum arguunt in
TO
PROTECT AGAINST THE PAGAN ANTITHESIS
2Timothy 4:3 For [I mean that] the time
will come
when they will
not endure sound doctrine;
but after their own lusts
Hugiano
2. to be sound of mind, teachings
3. of soundness in political or
religious matters, esp. in part., to hugiainon tēs Hellados Id.7.15; hoi hugiainontes,
Opposite. turbulent
agitators, Plb.28.17.12;
Opposite Kamno
work
hopē anthrōpos ekame Berl.Sitzb.
1927.158 (Cyrene).--The pf. is always intr.
(Cf. Skt. śamnīte 'work hard',
'serve zealously', śamitαr- 'sacrificing
priest', Gr. eiro-komos, komeō, komizō.)
[looking for sexual love ; epithumia [boy love]by
passion,
Opposite.
pronoia [forthought,
learning]
Teaching to scratch:
knēth-ō , later
form of knaō, A. scratch,
hōs legetai, knēthein oiden onos ton onon
Onos , 1. o. luras (sc. akouōn), of one who can
make nothing of music, o. luras ēkoue kai salpiggos hus; 2. peri onou skias for an ass'sshadow,
i.e. for a trifle,
an ass in the rain, of being unmoved
by what is said or done,
2. the upper millstone which
turned round, o. aletēs X.An.1.5.5
;
Xen.
Const. Lac. 2.13 But if it was clear that
the attraction lay in the boy's outward
beauty, he banned the connexion as an abomination;
and thus he caused lovers to abstain from boys
no less than parents abstain from sexual intercourse
with their children and brothers and sisters with each
other.
shall they heap
to THEMSELVES teachers, having itching ears.
WHAT SATISFIES THE LUST TO REPLACE SOUND
DOCTRINE?
Epithu_m-ētēs , oi, ho,
SOPHIA A.cleverness
or skill in handicraft and art, Hephaestus
, in music and singing, in poetry also, cunning,
shrewdness, craft, Hdt.1.68,
in music and singing, tekhnē kai s. h.Merc.483,
cf. 511; in
poetry, Sol.13.52, Pi.O.1.117,
Ar.Ra.882,
X.An.1.2.8,
Sophistκs , ou, ho,
master of one's craft, adept, expert, of
diviners, Hdt.2.49;
of poets, meletan
sophistais prosbalon Pi.I.5(4).28
, cf. Cratin.2; of musicians, sophistκs . . parapaiτn chelun A.Fr.314 ,
cf. Eup.447, Pl.Com. 140; sophistκi Thrκiki (sc.
Thamyris) E.Rh.924, cf. Ath.14.632c: with mod
2. sophist
(in bad sense), quibbler, cheat, goeta
one who howls out enchantments, a sorcerer,
enchanter. Goes
Goκs , κtos, ho,
2. juggler,
cheat, deinos g. kai pharmakeus kai sophistκs Pl.Smp.203d
; deinon kai g. kai sophistκn . . onomazτn D.18.276
; apistos g. ponκros Id.19.109
; magos kai g. Aeschin.3.137
Pharmak-eus ,
eτs, ho, A.poisoner, sorcerer,
S.Tr.1140, Pl.Smp.203d,
etc.; gnκsioi sophistai kai
Pharmakos A.poisoner,
sorcerer, magician,LXXEx.7.11Ma.3.5
(fem.), Apoc.21.8,
22.15.
(masc.),
Rev. 18:22 And the voice
of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers,
and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in
thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be,
shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a
millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
Rev. 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more
at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the
bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy
merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy
sorceries were all nations deceived.
ENCHANTMENTS
Epτid-os , on, epaidτ b.
Subst., enchanter, e. kai goκs E.Hipp.
1038 (but goκs e. Ba.234
): c. gen., a charm for or against,
2. Pass., sung to music, phτnai Plu.2.622d ; fit for singing, poiκtikκn e. parechein M.6.16 . 1. epτidos , hκ , Sch.metr. Pi.O.4
( ho , Gal.UP17.3, dub. in
D.H.Comp.19), epode, part of a lyric ode sung
after the strophe and antistrophe, ib.26, Gal. l.c.,
Sch.metr. Pi.l.c., etc. 2. epτidos , ho , versepassage returning
at intervals, in Alcaics and Sapphics, D.H.Comp.19
; chorus, burden, refrain, Ph.
1.312 : metaph., ho koinos hapasκs adoleschias e. the 'old story',
or
Generally the
PROGRESSIVES will not let anyone respond if they
contradict.
Royce Ogle: Mr. Kenneth Sublett, if my memory
serves me well, is well into his 80′s and there is no
denying that he is a busy fellow.
But, he can still read the text in context
and is young enough to follow the story line without doing
hippy hoppy over partial verses. You might be interested that
in 1997 when my last church followed the PROGRESSIVE
PATTERNISM intending to collect money, build the property and
then DIVERT the monies. That is the patternism
followed by all who IMPOSE instruments AFTER getting all of
the property set up so that it cannot be stolen by the owners.
I have always understood Ephesians 5:19 but I got seriously
involved when Paul commanded:
Ephesians 5:16 Redeeming the time,
because the days are evil.
Ephesians 5:17 Wherefore be ye not unwise,
but understanding
what the will of the Lord is.
Getting ready demands Thelema
(g2307) thel'-ay-mah; from the prol. form of 2309; a
determination (prop. the thing), i.e. (act.) choice (spec.
purpose, decree; abstr. volition) or (pass.) inclination: -
desire, pleasure, will.
Paul
says that you are UNWISE if you do not understand
the commands of the Lord BEFORE you begin SPEAKING
which is not making music. If people cannot read Paul
and think that one gets ready by spending the week
REHEARSING the little praise ditties before performing FOR
the body, the might think that their will is the will of the
Lord.
That
seemed to eleminate the will of outline sermons
and clappy singing boy performers trying to make
love to God.
Ephesians 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein
is excess;
but be filled with the Spirit;
Jesus said pretty clearly:
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh
profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you,
they are spirit, and they are life.
Ephesians 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and
the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
Why do people not have the obligation to warn people that
REHEARSING the worship ministers erotic praise song is NOT the
will of God?
What is it about "the Word of God" as the Will
of the Lord that is so difficult to understand? And yet, we have
to grant that it happens.
Contrary to all of the "progressives" Psallo has no
musical content: Paul and the Spirit were not as ignorant as the
progressives think: Getting drunk with wine would point
directly to the symposia of the "crookedrace."
Speaking of Amos 5
"In pagan
traditions, musical instruments are invented by gods or demi-gods, such as titans. In the Bible, credit is
assigned to antediluvian patriarchs, for example, the
descendants of Cain in Genesis 4:21. There is no other biblical
tradition
about the invention of musical instruments." (Freedman,
David Noel, Bible Review, Summer 1985, p. 51). (Proof Here).
Conrad L'Heureux demonstrated that the marzeah,
or symposium (feast, gathering, banquet, assembly) of El that is found in the Rephaim Texts of Ugarit "must be a reflex in
the divine world of the symposium celebrated by the members of the earthly marzeah of El
"Long before Israel's existence, we find in Akkadian tablets
the word halhallatu for 'double clarinet,' and
we have many ancient representations of this instruments...
Extremely popular for SECULAR purposes, the clarinet was played at WEDDINGS, BANQUETS, and FUNERAL. At funerals it served as accompaniment to
the customary WAILING
women; this
is the meaning of Matt. 9:23. The chief characteristics of the clarinet
were: popularity, juxtaposition with hand drum and lyre, expression of extreme emotionalism, and symbolic meaning of FERTILITY and RESURRECTION." (Int. Std. Bible Dict., p. 472)
We are told to save ourselves from that crooked race. If
you don't know how to identify the crooked race or race of
vipers how can you judge other peoples statements: simple
assertions are an invitation to dialog and are not intended to
be the whole ball of wax to make fun of.
Katauleτ to
play
upon the flute, to resound with flute-playing, to overpower by flute-playing:--generally, to overpower, strike dumb [Don't get methuo with wine
includes "don't get fluted down with wine or "drunk on
ignorance".]
Katapsallτ, play
stringed instruments to, [sumposion] have music played to
one, enjoy music, resound with music,
Scripture does not use a
SINGLE WORD which means "to play an instrument."
The symposium was the
musical festivalsof the PERVERTED. When they needed to discuss
something they CAST OUT the flute girls and this
automatically reduced the wine drinking.
Pind.
I. 6 Just as we mix the second bowl
of wine when the men's symposium is
flourishing, here is the second song of the Muses for
Lampon's children and their athletic victories:
first in Nemea, Zeus, in your honor they received the choicest
of garlands,
At about that time when I watched the performers I also became
aware of universal history.
Plato
Protagoras [347c] But if he does not mind, let
us talk no more of poems and verses, but
consider the points on which I questioned you at first,
Protagoras, and on which I should be glad to reach, with
your help, a conclusion. For it seems to me that arguing
about poetry is comparable to the wine-parties of common
market-folk. These people, owing to their inability to
carry on a familiar conversation over their wine by
means of their own voices and discussions
Modern theology is based on the New Winskin.
-347d
such is their lack of educationput a premium on
flute-girls
by hiring the
extraneous voice of the flute at a high price,
and carry
on their intercourse by means of its utterance.
But where the party consists of thorough gentlemen
who have had a proper education,
you will see neither flute-girls
nor dancing-girls nor harp-girls,
but only the company
contenting themselves with their own conversation,
and none of these fooleries
and frolics
each speaking
and listening decently in his turn,
If harp boys played and sang they were known to be
"drunk, perverted or just having fun."
Paul said SPEAK to YOURSELVES: how could anyone
turn that into "Let the music team lead you into the presence of
God."
PROOF THAT PROGRESSIVES REALLY CANNOT READ:
Ephesians 5:19 Speaking to yourselves
in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making
melody in your heart to the Lord;
The Scholars literally see:
Ephesians 5:19 Singing to
to the audience in itzy bitzy praise songs
Singing and making melody upon a harp
Ephesians 5:20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God
and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Ephesians 5:21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the
fear of God.
Psallo is never used to speak of MUSICAL melody in the Greek
text: When Paul is not using the ANTITHESIS to warn the
Ephesians, the word is not "melos" (musical melody) but:
Melet-aō , tauta meleta 1 Ep.Ti.4.15;
esp. practise speaking, con over a speech
in one's mind, logaria dustēna meletēsas D.19.255; apologian Id.46.1; also, deliver,
declaim (cf. 11.5 b), logous
Speaking when not used to define the "getting drunk on wine"
praise singing is the Word:
Logos
2. generally, account, reckoning,
mē phunai ton hapanta nika l. excel
Opposite. ek tēs epagōgēs bringing in to one''s
aid
Opposite. muthos, as history to
legend, Ti.26e;
poiein muthous all' ou logous
Opposite. epilogos,
Opposite. prooimion,
Opposite. phōnē, Arist.Pol.1253a14;
prose , Opposite.
poiēsis,
Opposite
. emmetra, ib.1450b15
l. pezoi ,
Opposite. poiētikē, D.H.Comp.6;
Opposite. poiēmata, ib.15; koina kai poiēmatōn kai logōn
Music not according to the law.
II.2. of verse, unaccompanied by music,
kai
peza
kai
phormikta
[Abaddon, Apolllyon's harp] S.Fr.16
; pezō
goō:
aneu
aulou
[without the flute] luras,
[without harp]
Mark of: 3. Common hetairai
prostitute or aulētris
A. flute-girl,
Simon.178,
Ar.Ach.551,
X.HG2.2.23,
Pl.Prt.347d,
moskhoi
2. metaph., boy, E.IA1623:
as fem., girl, maid, Id.Hec.526
[as a burnt offering], Andr.711,
etc.
III.2. without musical accompaniment
(cf. 11.2), pausai [Rest]
(cf. 11.2),
Pl.Sph.237a.
Pausai
take one's rest, rest from of one singing
or speaking, 17.359, Hdt.7.8.d
:
songs
do not loose the pain lupas
ōdais
p.
E.Med.197
Thamurin
aoidēs,
orkhēthmoio
podas
paus. melōdous'
Melōdous'
Stop the Melody
Alla
p.
being used to limit or oppose words,
reverse process, whole sentences,
moi
phrason
2. show forth, tell, declare,
logon
indicate to oneself, i.e. think
or muse upon, consider, ponder,
3 Only the lyrics of dramatic poetry
Opposite. ta
tou
khorou,
ib.1449a17.
[below]
Aristot.
Poet. 1449a The one came from the prelude to
the dithyramb and the other from the prelude
to the phallic songs which still survive as institutions
in many cities.
The iambic is indeed
the most conversational of the metres, and
the proof is that in talking to each other we most
often use iambic lines but very rarely hexameters
and only when we rise above the ordinary pitch of
conversation.
A Satyr play was an
interlude performed by a troupe of actors
dressed as the goat-like followers of Dionysus.
Hence tragōdia,
"goat-song (Capella)
Sa^tu^r-ikos 2.
of or resembling the Satyric drama,
Pl.Smp. 222d;
poiēsis
Arist.Po.1449a22;
orkhēsis
D.H.7.72;
drama
Eur.
Med. 197 You would be right to call men
of old foolish, not at all wise: for while
they invented songs for festivities, banquets, and dinners
and added pleasant sounds to human life,
[195] no one discovered how to put an end to mortals' bitter
griefs with music and song sung to the lyre.
It is because of these griefs that deaths and terrible
disasters overthrow houses. It would have been a gain for
mortals [200] to cure these ills by song. Where there are
feasts of plenty, why do they raise the loud song to
no purpose?
This may be the
ravings of senility but one would think about claiming
that God COMMANDED them to do what all of the Bible and
Recorded History Denies.
Royce Ogle: He continues to regularly dress down
those he believes to be false prophets
(including yours truly..). His website is http://Piney.com.
I dress down
those who intentionally collect money for the LORD and
then tell everyone that YOU have changed YOUR agenda and
WE gonna DIVERT your monies. He has lost a couple of
good INVESTMENTS with the Lord and I respond to POSTED
ARTICLES, Books or Sermons who LIE to God and About God
intending to "steal the church house of widows."
Now, Royce never met one of those he doesn't APPLAUD.
What Royce and
the progressives intentionally DRESS DOWN
as legalists or patternists those who do not
ADD instrumental music to make unity with them
possible. Most of the bloggers feed on one another
and love to make fun of churches of Christ when they
simply have never read the Bible very much and feed on one
another for their hate literature.
Royce may feel dressed
down but I take published papers or sermons and
compare them with the Biblical text. What I am
attempting to do is UNDRESS them or prove that the
kings have no clothes.People who actively twist all
Scripture intending to sow discord always use the old
"love" weapon to put down anyone who tests their papers by
Scripture and history. I am just following a direct
command and NEVER try to silence anyone who wants to refue
me without attacking the old person.
Greek Reprove:
Elegkhō , Od.21.424,
disgrace, put to shame, muthon e. treat a speech with
contempt, Il.9.522;
e. tina put one to
shame, Od. 21.424.
II. cross-examine, question, Hdt.2.115,
Pl.Ap.18d,
c. acc. et inf., accuse one of doing, E.Alc.1058:Pass.,
to be convicted, Hdt.1.24,117;
2. test, bring to the proof,
andrōn aretan pagkratēs elegkhei alatheia
4. refute, confute, tina or ti, Pl.Grg.470c,
al., D.28.2, Luc.Nigr.4:Pass.,
Pl.Tht.162a;
khrusos klēidas elegkhei proves that
they avail not,
b.
put right, correct, prove by a reductio ad impossibile,
7. decide a dispute, ana meson tōn duo LXX Ge. 31.37.
Royce Ogle: Not only is Kenneth Sublett one of the most
vocal voices against instrumental music in
Churches of Christ, he is by far the most unusual.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I have been
retired these last 33 years and have literally searched
everything from clay tablets to the modern scholars using their
McGuffy's Lexicon. I assure you that you will NEVER find any
remote hint of congregational singing in the Bible or early
recorded history. One then wonders "Just where did people
get the idea for using instruments against God's people."
Christ in the prophets says that Lucifer the singing and harp
playing prostitute brought them with him/her/it when she invaded
the garden of Eden.
If Royce established a school of Real Estate and someone wanted
to sing, clap and play while HE lectured, guess what would
happen to them. And yet, Royce says that men should so
blaspheme and insult Jesus and no one should object.
The promise of Jesus that His elect will be despised and
rejected of men. Royce promotes those who put the people
in debt, then change the name and add instruments knowing that
the owners will be driven out of their own synagogue.
Godly people will always be put down.
Luke 18:7 And shall not God avenge his own
elect,
which cry day and night
unto him, though he bear long with them?
Luke 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them
speedily.
Nevertheless when the
Son of man cometh,
shall he find faith on
the earth?
That may be
because preachers are not readers of the Bible and
recorded history. Royce and even "scholars" are
"patterned" to believe that Jesus commanded A cappella
congregational singing with the accompaniment of "organum"
or complex harmony imitating the pipe organ.
Royce Ogle: If I understand what he actually believes,
not only is he opposed to instruments in worship,
Isn't that enough for those who have
worked like little beavers cutting down other people's trees
to build themselves a new house and change school of Christ
into "a theater for holy entertainment?"
I don't much care what happens in the
religious institutions which do not grasp that throughout
the Bible the church is defined as a "synagogue
where" we "use one mind and one mouth to teach that which is
written for our learning" Rom 15. Paul defines that as Scripture.
Paul also told the elders as the only pastor-teachers to teach
that which has been taught.
The Campbells, tried to restory what
men like John Calvin attempted as "restoring the Church of
Christ."
The church, they say, is a School
of Christ
Worship is reading and musing the Word of
God.
Even when singing was imposed it was recomposed Biblical
Psalms (what Paul commanded)
- If Paul commanded that we speak
TYPES of songs in the BOOK of Psalms,
- And Paul commmanded "that which is
written for our learning" and the elders are to "teach
that which has been taught"
- then if all of the world decides to
compose their own songs and sermons they still do not have
a command, example, remote inference or historical
precedence for "congregational singing of Twila Paris or
ditties composed by the sister singers.
ONE MIGHT FIND SUCH EVIDENCE BEFORE
BRANDING OTHERS WITH THE RACA WORDS.
That pretty much outlaws self-speak by
which Jesus identified the clergy as sons of the Devil.
Royce Ogle: but is against singing and preaching
as well,
False:
preaching is "kerusso" and both the kerusso and the
presbyter were HERALDS not so reckless as to
change the message of the sender or CHARGE the recipient.
Jesus commanded preachers to GO and make disciples. Elders
are the only commanded Pastor-Teachers in an established
congregation. The synagogue always existed and never
changed even after Jesus:
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them,
saying,
All power is given
unto me in heaven and in earth.
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and [1] teach
all nations,
[2] baptizing
them in the name [Jesus] of the Father, and of the Son,
and of the Holy Ghost:
Matthew 28:20 [3] Teaching them
to observe all
things whatsoever I have commanded you:
and, lo, I am with you
alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
"Although the sermon was not an essential part of the
synagogue service,
the translation
and explanation of the Scripture lesson was a step in the direction
of a preaching service. There is evidence that an
exposition of the lesson formed a part of the Sabbath
afternoon service. In earliest times the sermon seems to
have been connected with the reading from the Prophets.
Anyone able to instruct might be asked to preach (Acts
13:15). The preacher spoke from a sitting position on an
elevated place (Luke 4:20). (Pfeiffer, p. 63).
"The word that is employed for
this "anaginosko, anagnosis) is the technical term for the cultic reading aloud of the Old
Testament in the synagogue. By applying this terminology to the reading
of his own epistles he not only ascribes the same
authority to the apostolic word as to the Old Testament
writings...he also combines a quotation from the Old
Testament with a word of Jesus and introduces the whole
with the familiar formula: 'for the Scripture says.'"
(Ridderbos, Hermon, Paul, an Outline of His Theo.,
Eerdmans, p. 483)
"With the victory of
Christianity and the development of the service came a
soaring of the sermon. Preaching became more frequent,
being employed even during the week and during fast
seasons in some places daily. As the Church during that
period assimilated more and more Greco-Roman culture, the
sermon developed para passu. The most noted Christian
preachers had not seldom been educated in the rhetorical
schools of the heathen, and employed in their sermons the
rule of rhetoric and the artistic effects taught there,
and polish became almost an end, often giving more
brilliancy than warmth. The hearers came to look for
esthetic satisfaction rather than for edification, leaving
after the sermon and before the Eucharist." (The New
Schaff-Herzog Religious Encyclopedia, Preaching, p. 150,
Period 300-450 A. D.).
Jesus exampled SPEAKING a hymn after Passover and did not
command singing. It is an honor to be quite lonely in
understand that Jesus excluded anything not conducive to being A
School of Christ. Ken may also be someone alone in grasping that
Disciples go to Bible Class: Disciples do not go to religious
observations which Jesus denied contributed to the coming of the
kingdom.
Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time
hath in every city them
that preach him,
being read in
the synagogues every sabbath day.
The singing
word in Ephesians 5 is.
Aeidō
, Ion. and poet. form
used by Hom., Pi., and sometimes in Trag.
and Com. (even in trim., A.Ag.16,
E.Fr.188;
intetram., Cratin. 305),
also in Ion. Prose; contr. adō
hence of all
kinds of vocal sounds, crow
as cocks, Pl.Smp..223c; hoot
as owls, Arat.1000;
croak as frogs, Arist. Mir.835b3,
Thphr.Sign.3.5,
etc.; hoi tettiges
[LOCUSTS] khamothen asontai Stes. ap.Arist.Rh.1412a23:of
other sounds, twang, of the bow-string,
Od.21.411;
whistle, of the wind
through a tree, Mosch.Fr.1.8;
ring, of a stone when
struck, Theoc.7.26:prov.,
prin nenikēkenai adein 'to crow
too soon', Pl.Tht.164c.Constr.:a. tini sing to
one, Od.22.346;
also, vie with one in
singing, Theoc.8.6;
a. pros aulon [flute] ē luran sing
to [lyre]. . , Arist.Pr..918a23; hup' aulois Plu.2.41c:aeisas . . khairein Dēmoklea, Poetic.
for eipōn,
SPEAK
II. trans.,
1. c. acc.
rei, sing of, chant, mēnin
aeide
Il.1.1;
paiēona
1.473;
klea
andrōn,
noston,
9.189,
Od.1.326;
ton
Boiōtion
nomon
S.Fr.966:
c. gen. (sc. melos),
sing an air of . ., Phrunikhou
Ar.V.269,
cf. 1225:
abs., a.
amphi
tinos
to sing in one's praise, Od.8.266;
amphi
tina
Terp.2, cf. E.Tr.513;
eis
tina
Ar.Lys. 1243:
later, simply = kalein,
Ael.NA3.28:Pass.,
of songs, to be sung, Hdt.4.35;
ta
lekhthenta
kai
asenta
Pl.Ly.205e;
asma
kalōs
asthen,
OPPOSITE. logos kalōs
rhētheis
THAT'S why singing and melody (shooting
bows or love arrows) is said to be
IN the heart. But, then Royce doesn't know of a Church which
SPEAKS (opposite of poetry) "that which is written for our
learning (Romans 15) AND he doesn't know anyone who SINGS
Psalms, Hymns and Spiritual songs which are ALL in the revealed
text. He knows that musical sounds confiscate all of the brain
so that it is IMPOSSIBLE to Teach and Comfort with that which is
DISCOMFORTING to half of the population which Royce wants to
DRIVE AWAY from his Worship Services when Jesus said that the
Kingdom DOES NOT COME with observation: meaning religious
services.
But Paul said do
this kind of singing IN THE HEART and directed to
God and not the audience. That would certainly guard any one able to
read the text against hiring 'teams' to make all of those
goofy sounds in their distinctive falsetto tone.
Since I do
"disciple" and not "dogma" I am not "against"
whatever people want to do when they have decided to
replace the Word of Christ with their own
songs and sermons. What I have said dogmatically is
"that Royce etal cannot find a jot or tittlle; a command,
example or remote inference of any one from Genesis to
Revelation who gathered for congregational singing with or
without instrumental accompaniment. Rather, that trying to
brand me senile I just offer an invitation for those
who plan to sow discord to find such an instance.
Nor will they find any such example before Constantine
let the pagans become preachers as we now
allow rhetoricians, singers, actor and instrument players
to be preacher.
Romans 15;
Ephesians 4 and Collossians 3 are commands to TEACH
that which is written by SPEAKING. The
command is NEITHER to do external singing or playing an
instrument. That is to guard the legalists not to try to
do a legalistic end-run.
Hymnody developed
systematically, however, only after the
emperor Constantine legalized Christianity (AD 313);
and it flourished earliest in Syria, where the
practice was possibly taken over from the singing by Gnostics and Manichaeans of hymns imitating
the psalms. The Byzantine Church adopted the
practice; in its liturgy, hymns maintain a much more
prominent place than in the Latin liturgy; and Byzantine
hymnody developed complex types such as the kanon and kontakion (qq.v.; see also Byzantine
chant). Saint Ephraem--a 4th-century Mesopotamian deacon,
poet, and hymnist--has been called the "father of
Christian hymnody." Britannica Online
Remembering that Psalms,
hymns and spiritual songs are all in the Book of Psalms,
and the command was to SPEAK them one to
another, and Logos is the opposite of poetry,
music or rhetoric, composing your own "scripture"
was a deliberate apostasy used in making spiritual
warfare.
A. First Human Replacement for the
Bible. In the West, St. Hilary of Poitiers
composed a book of hymn texts in about 360.
B.
First Congregational singing. Not
much later St. Ambrose of Milan instituted the congregational
singing of psalms and hymns, partly as a counter
to the hymns of the Arians, who were in doctrinal
conflict with orthodox Christianity. In poetic form
(iambic octosyllables in four-line stanzas), these early
hymns--apparently sung to simple, possibly folk
melodies--derive from Christian Latin poetry of the
period.
C.
First Musical Worship Teams. By the late Middle Ages
trained choirs had supplanted the congregation
in the singing of hymns. Although new, often more ornate
melodies were composed and many earlier melodies were
elaborated, one syllable of text per note
was usual. Some polyphonic hymn settings were
used, usually in alternation with plainchants, and were
particularly important in organ music.
"The McClintock
and Strong Cyclopedia not only speaks, in general
terms, of 'heresy largely pervading the church and making
rapid headway' at that very time, but it specifies
'the appointment
of singers as a distinct class of officers in the
church' with 'the consequent
introduction of profane music'; and why should not
instrumental music have been introduced if the carnal
wishes of the people called for it" (Kurfees, M. C.,
Instrumental Music in Worship, p. 123)
"They were taught the doctrines concerning God, creation, providence, sacred history, the fall, the incarnation, the resurrection, and future rewards and punishments. Their books were portions of
the Bible...
When the
ecclesiastical spirit overcame the apostolic and Gospel
teaching,
the study of the Bible was
largely displaced by ritual ceremonies and priestly confessionals.
A few faithful continued
to teach the Bible, as the Waldenses and the Lollards."
(Shaff-Herzog Religious Ency. , Sunday schools, p.
159).
D.
First Congregational singing of the
commanded text: Congregational singing
in the liturgy was re-established only during the
Reformation, by the Lutheran Church in Germany.
The early chorale
(q.v.), or German hymn melody,
was unharmonized and sung unaccompanied,
although harmonized versions, used by varying
combinations of choir, organ, and congregation, appeared
later.
E.
Swiss, and later,
French, English, and Scottish Calvinism promoted
the singing of metrical translations of the psalter
(see psalmody),
austerely
set for unaccompanied unison singing.
English and Scottish Protestantism admitted only
the singing of psalms. English metrical
psalms were set to tunes adapted from the French and
Genevan psalters. These were fairly complex melodies
written on French metres. The English psalter used only
a few metres, and the custom of singing each
psalm to its proper tune was soon replaced by the use
of a few common tunes. The common metre
8, 6, 8, 6 (the numbers give the number of syllables in
each line), a form of English ballad metre, remains the
archetypal English hymn metre.
Royce Ogle: but is against singing and preaching
as well, except for
preaching about the Lords Supper.
That's not true: what I said was pretty simple and
should not be a problem for anyone prior to
soundbyteitis. The Assembly met to READ
and discuss the Word: the Lord's Supper was also a
teaching activity. It is the only thing
called "preaching" in an established congregation.
Royce is happy if the simple singers sing, hum, whistle or
even clap during the REMEMBERING.
1Corinthians 11:26 For as often as ye eat this
bread, and drink this cup,
ye do shew the
Lords death till he come.
That is a good "dead space" to be filled in with singing,
humming, playing and even clappintg.
The ACT is to eat and drink: the PURPOSE is
to teach and remind. Show Forth involves joining Jesus
in the mental struggle.
kat-aggellō, A. announce,
proclaim, declare, 2. recite,
recount, agōna
Agon
gathering, assembly 6. mental
struggle, anxiety, Th.7.71, Plb.4.56.4,
Ep.Col.2.1:
in pl., tromoi kai a. Plu. Sol.7.
1Corinthians 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread,
and drink this cup of the Lord,
unworthily,
shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
Anaxios anaxion sou too good for thee, undeserving
in the eyes of all to suffer,
This conflict or contest is between of the WORLD and those OF
FAITH or OF TRUTH. Preaching is well recorded as one of
the early apostacies by men who grasphed that just telling Bible
storys with lots of jokes made them rich and famous.
Paul ALWAYS defines the role of the assembly which is to GUARD
AGAINST what Royce etal want to endorse:
