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1Pet. 5:1The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder,
        and a witness of the sufferings of Christ,
        and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:
1Pet. 5:2 FEED the flock of God which is among you,
        taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly;
        NOT FOR FILTHY LUCRE , but of a ready mind;

aiskhro-kerdēs greedy for gain.
Hdt. 1.187 If any king of Babylon in the future is in need of money, let him open this tomb and take as much as he likes: but let him not open it unless he is in need; for it will be the worse for him.”----
     [5] After opening the tomb,
            he found no money there, only the dead body, with writing which read:
        “If you were ever satisfied with what you had
        and did not disgrace yourself seeking more,
        you would not have opened the coffins of the dead.”

Eur. Andr. 451 Andromache 445] Dwellers in Sparta, most hateful of mortals in the eyes of all mankind, wily plotters, masters of the lie, weavers of deadly contrivance, with thoughts that are always devious, rotten, and tortuous, how unjust is the prosperity you enjoy among the Greeks!

 Andoc. 4 32 It is the spendthrift, with his endless wants, who stoops lowest to fill his pockets.
        In fact, it will be a public disgrace,
        if you show tolerance towards a man
        who has achieved his success only with the help of your money
lū^crum   lucro est, it is profitable, advantageous, A. Love of gain, avarice: B. Wealth, riches: “omne lucrum tenebris alta premebat humus,”
prothu_mos     ready, willing, eager,  bearing goodwill, wishing well, devoted
“manthanein” Plat. Lach. 201b
The fasting peasant, who, in gain of gold,
Will sell his little all! And now the hills
Plat. Lach. 201b to go to school at our time of life, I think we should appeal to Homer,
         who said that ““shame is no good mate for a needy man.””Hom. Od. 17.347
         So let us not mind what anyone may say,
         but join together in arranging for our own and the boys' tuition.

Lysimachus
I gladly approve of your suggestions, Socrates; and as I am the oldest,
        so I am the most eager to have lessons with the young ones.
        Now this is what I ask you to do:

GRATUITUS adj. GRATIA done without pay, not for reward, free, spontaneous, voluntary, gratuitous : iiberalitas: amicitia: suffragia:  spontaneous , L.: crudelitas, unprovoked , L.: praeterita parricidia, in vain , L.

grātĭa   favor, esteem, regard, liking, love, friendship, partiality “gratis dare alicui (OPPOSITE. pretium accipere ab aliquo),
Opp. for payment:
(OPPOSITE pretium
            pretium    a price, money value, value in exchange 


The BEAST from the EARTH exerciseth all the POWER of the first BEAST before him,
        and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein
        to worship the first BEAST, whose deadly wound was healed. Rev. 13:12
1Cor. 15:45 And so it is written,
        The first man Adam was made a living soul;
        the last Adam was made a QUICKENING SPIRIT
        but that which is natural;
        and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Cor. 15:47 The first man is OF the EARTH, earthy:
        the second man is the Lord from heaven.
 1Cor. 15:50 Now this I say, brethren,
        that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;
        neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
CHRISTIANS RECOGNIZE JESUS AS THE ONLY ONE WITH TEACHING POWER.  God used Instrumental sounds as a GENDER-TRAP and to mark those OF the Earth for whom He did not pray.

POWER of the BEAST: exous-ia Power to win praise. e. ekhein thanatou power of life and death 
licence in a thing, “tou legein   Power to SPEAK replacing Jesus' assignment.

LACK of righteousness, ponēros ,
ponēros , a, on, in physical sense, A. [select] oppressed by toils, ponērotatos kai aristos,
Thgn. 274; “phortion [LADEN BURDEN] ” Ar.Pl.352. in bad case, in sorry plight, useless, good-for-nothing
III.  in moral sense, worthless, knavish, phēmē, bios, zoē, A.Ch.1045,
THE DEFINITION OF THEOLOGY USED OF APOLLYON BY THE GREEKS

Strab. 1.2.17 If any thing does not correspond, [To Customs or Laws]
        it should be attributed to change,
        or to misconception,
        or to poetical licence,
               which is made up of [a] history, [b] rhetoric, and  [c] fiction.
                       and Truth is the aim of the historical portion,..

A lively interest is the end ,
        [b] the rhetorical as when he points to us the combat;
        [c]  and of the fiction, pleasure and astonishment...
        HE bids us not to judge poems by the standard of intellect,
                      nor yet look to them for history.
Poi-ētikos  “p. kai mousikoi  the art of poetry mousi^kos , ē, on, Dor. mōsikos , ta mousika music, II. of persons, skilled in music, musical, X.l.c., etc.; “poiētikoi. andres” Pl.Lg.802b; “kuknos kai alla zōa m.” Id.R.620a; “peri aulous -ōtatoi” Ath.4.176e; LYRIC poet, OPPOSITE. EPIC, Pl.Phdr.243a   “mousikos kai melōn poētēs
mole  melōn There is no music or lyric material in Scripture.
B. esp. musical member, phrase: hence, song, strain, en melei poieein to write in lyric strain
2. music to which a song is set, tune, Arist.Po.1450a14

 kat-auleô   A. charm by flute-playing, tinos Pl.Lg.790e, cf. R.411a; tina Alciphr.2.1: metaph., se . . -êsô phobôi I will flute to you on a ghastly flute, E.HF871 (troch.):--Pass., of persons, methuôn kai katauloumenos drinking wine to the strains of the flute, Pl.R.561c; k. pros chelônidos psophon to be played to on the flute with lyre accompaniment, Posidon.10 J., cf. Call.Fr.10.3 P., Phld.Mus.p.49 K.
God is not ignorant, as Theologians claim. If He had intended musical melody He would not have used PSALLO
CONTRARY AND ANTITHETICAL to the worship of God, THE WORSHIP OF THE BEAST is--
Thera^p-euō   II.   do service to the gods, athanatous, theous th., Hes.Op.135, Hdt.2.37, X.Mem.1.4.13, etc.; “daimona” Pi.P.3.109; Dionuson, Mousas, E.Ba.82 (lyr.), IT1105(lyr.); th. Phoibou [“Apollon”] naous serve them, Id.Ion111 (anap.): abs., worship, Lys.6.51; do service or honour to one's parents, E.Ion183 (lyr.), Pl.R.467a, Men.91a; serve, wait upon a master, Id.Euthphr.13d, cf. Ar.Eq.59, 1261, etc.; th. tas thēkas reverence men's graves, Pl.R.469a.
APOLLYON- Phoebus , i, m., = Phoibos (the radiant), I. a poetical appellation of Apollon as the god of light: “quae mihi Phoebus Apollon, Val. Fl. 1, 228: “Circe,” [CHURCH AS WORSHIP CENTER] daughter of Sol, Petr. 135.—
Phoebus , i, m., = Phoibos (the radiant), I.a poetical appellation of Apollo as the god of light: “quae mihi Phoebus Apollo, Val. Fl. 1, 228: “Circe,” daughter of Sol, Petr. 135.—
B. Phoe-bēus , a, um, adj., Phœbean, Apollinean: “carmina,” Lucr. 2, 504: “lampas,” the sun, Verg. A. 4, 6: “virgo,” Daphne, Ov. P. 2, 2, 82: “laurus,” id. Tr. 4, 2, 51: “Rhodos,” where the worship of Apollo prevailed, id. M. 7, 365: “lyra,” id. H. 16, 180: “sortes,” oracle, id. M. 3, 130: “tripodes,” id. A. A. 3, 789: “Phoebeā morbos pellere arte,” id. F. 3, 827.—
Female Worship Leater C. Phoebas , ădis, f., a PRIESTESS of Apollo; hence the inspired one, the PROPHETESS Ov. Am. 2, 8, 12; id. Tr. 2, 400; Luc. 5, 128; 165.
IT IS ANTI-GRACE AND DELIBERATE DECEPTION TO MAKE A PROFESSION OUT OF THE WORSHIP OF THE BEAST BECAUSE:

Acts.17.25.God.Not.Worshipped.Mens.Hands.html
Thera^p-euō   II.   do service to the gods, athanatous, theous th., Hes.Op.135, Hdt.2.37, X.Mem.1.4.13, etc.; “daimona” Pi.P.3.109; Dionuson, Mousas, E.Ba.82 (lyr.), IT1105(lyr.); th. Phoibou [“Apollon”] naous serve them, Id.Ion111 (anap.): abs., worship, Lys.6.51; do service or honour to one's parents, E.Ion183 (lyr.), Pl.R.467a, Men.91a; serve, wait upon a master, Id.Euthphr.13d, cf. Ar.Eq.59, 1261, etc.; th. tas thēkas reverence men's graves, Pl.R.469a.


athanatous Grace Centered 
etc.; athanatai haliai, i.e. the sea goddesses, Od.24.47: Comp. “-ōteros” Pl.Phd. 99c. a. ho thanatos 'death that cannot die',
    Od.24.47So Hermes spoke, but for all his good intent he prevailed not upon the heart of Aegisthus; and now he has paid the full price of all.”

civil society clled religious STAFF, PARASITES. Hdt.2.37, Their religious observances are, one may say, innumerable. [4] But also they receive many benefits: they do not consume or spend anything of their own; sacred food is cooked for them, beef and goose are brought in great abundance to each man every day, and wine of grapes is given to them, too.

1Cor. 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written,
        The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to PLAY

paizō ,   2. esp. dance, “paisate” Od.8.251; “dōma peristenakhizeto possin andrōn paizontōn” 23.147, cf. Hes.Sc.277; “p. te kai khoreuein” Ar.Ra.409, cf. 390; “enoplia khalkōtheis epaizen” Pi.O.13.86:—Pass., alla pepaistai metriōs hēmin, of the chorus, Ar. Th.1227.
4. play on a musical instrument, h.Ap.206: c. acc., “Pan ho kalamophthogga paizōn” Ar.Ra.230; dance and sing, Pi. O.1.16
1Cor. 10:21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of DEVILS  [daimoniōn:]:
         ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and of the table of DEVILS.

Aristoph. Frogs 225
Rightly so, you busybody.
the Muses of the fine lyre love us
And so does horn-crested Pan, playing his reed pipe.
And the harpist APOLLON delights in us as well,
On account of the reed, which as a bridge for his lyre

Apollōn , ho, Apollo: Abaddon, Apollyon The name of a NUMBER
phorm-iktēs , ou, Dor. phorm-miktas , ho, A. lyre-player, of Orpheus, Pi.P.4.176
phorm-iktos , ē, on, A. sung TO the phormigx, kai peza kai ph. (sc. melē) S.Fr.16.

Melos , eos, to, 2. music to which a song is set, tune, Arist.Po.1450a14;
3. melody of an instrument, “phormigx d' au phtheggoith' hieron m. ēde kai aulos” ; “aulōn pamphōnon m.” Pi.P.12.19;
Wycliffes_Shillelagh: Controller at Grace Centered Magazine.  The Triple Goddesses is the MARK that the feminine theology has "ruled over you." That is the source of the Trinity Heresy or Blasphemy (Jesus) or Antichrist (John) and instrumental music

http://www.pineycom.com/Grace.Centered.Forum.html

John.T.Willis.Feminists.Roots.of.Apostasy.html

Worship.Androgyny.The.Pagan.Sexual.Ideal.html

 3.graces.gifTRIPLEGODDESS1.gif

SPIRITUAL FORMATION
Jackie.Halstead.Lectio-Divina.Sorcerers.html

Becky.Frazier.Golden.Calves.Then.Now.html
Anastasia, Saint 

"She Who Stands in Heaven," title of Rome's Great Goddess, 
personified as a pseudo-saint. Her three "serving-maids" Agapeta, 
Theonia, and Irene were originally the three Horae or Graces who 
attended the Goddess. 

Her Christianized legend associated Agapeta, Theonia, and Irene 
with a man who suffered a ceremonial death in the same way as 
ancient victims of the pagan Mamuralia or scapegoat-sacrifice. He was 
beaten with rods, reviled and spat upon, then shown a vision of the 
Triple Goddess in his moment of death, whereupon he "fell into a sleep 
so deep" that no further blows could waken him.  
http://www.pineycom.com/Iamblichus.3.7.Art.Divination.html

1. Peri Puthagorou haireseōs (on the Philosophy of Pythagoras

Thou seemest to think that those who are enrapt by the Mother of the gods are males, for thou callest them, accordingly, "Metrizontes"; yet that is not true, for the "Metrizontesæ" are chiefly women. A very few, however, are males, and such as may be more DELICATE. This enthusiasm has a power that is both life-engendering and perfective, in which respect it differs from every other form of frenzy.

habro-bios, on, A.living delicately, effeminate, “Iōnes” B.17.2, cf. Plu.Demetr. 2 CHARACTER OF A COHORT

The prophetess at Delphi, however, whether she gives oracles to human beings from a tenuous and fire-like spirit brought up from somewhere through an aperture, 28 or vaticinates sitting in the inner shrine, upon the bronze chair with three feet or upon the four-footed chair sacred to the divinities, 29 gives herself up entirely to the divine spirit and is shined upon by the ray of the fire...
    29. Apollon and Dionysos Zagreus his hearth-mate were the divinities at Delphi.

Wycliffes_Shillelagh: Ken has trouble communicating to where other people can understand.  He has a self-enforced rule that he does not communicate using his own words in open forums, but rather quotes scripture, sometimes with short comments or explanations. 

THAT RULE IS INFORCED BY GOD. SPIRIT is defined always as "God put's His WORD into the MOUTH of Jesus for the last time.

http://pineycom.com/Isaiah.58.html

Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath,
        from doing thy pleasure on my holy day;
        and call the sabbath a delight,
                the holy of the Lord, honourable;
                and shalt honour him,

Sabbatum A. In gen., the day of rest among the Jews, the Sabbath; considered by the Romans to have been ordained as a fast-day.

The only way to honor God is to NOT try to do His Work for Him.  The SABBATH should be a DELIGHT by  not doing your own pleasure.

not doing thine own ways,
        nor finding thine own pleasure,
        nor speaking thine own words:

A CHURCH OF CHRIST HAS TWO ROLES: TEACHERS AND DISCIPLES
Heb. 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers,
        ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God;
        and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

HERE IS THE LAW OF DELIVERING CHRISTIAN ORACLES

1Pet. 4:11 If any man SPEAK,
        let him SPEAK as the oracles of God;
if any man minister,
        let him do it as of the ability which God giveth:
        that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ,
        to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Wycliffes_Shillelagh: It's even become part of his theology -
        I'm sure we've all heard that without the Spirit we "can't read black ink on brown paper." 

John 6:62 What and if ye shall see the SON OF MAN ascend up where he was before?
John 6:63 It is the SPIRIT that quickeneth;
        the flesh [History] profiteth nothing:
        the WORDS that I speak unto you, they are SPIRIT, and they are life.

2Cor. 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: [Almost no one can confess that]
        and where the Spirit OF the Lord is, there is liberty.
         [My words ARE Spirit John 6:63: Can't confess that either]
2Cor. 3:18 But we all,
        with open face beholding as in a glass [that which is perfected]  the glory of the Lord,
        are changed into the same image from glory to glory, [not without help!}
        even as by the Spirit OF the Lord. [songs and sermons prove that they cannot confess that]
2Pet. 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; [don't believe that either]
        whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, [can't obey that either]
        as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, [they deny that]
        until the day dawn, [not without songs and sermons]
        and the day star arise in your hearts: [can't confess that either: baptism or not]
Wycliffes_Shillelagh: He figures if you cannot deduce his point from the lengthy passages of Scripture he supplies,
        you must lack the Spirit of God necessary to do so.

WHY GRACE-CENTERED FORUM WHICH REJECTS EVEN THE WORDS OF JESUS CANNOT BE CHRISTIANS

THE PATTERN OF JESUS IS MOCKED.

John 8:26 I have many things to say and to judge of you:
        but he that sent me is true;
        and I SPEAK to the world those things which I have HEARD of him.
John 8:27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.
John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them,
        When ye have lifted up the Son of man, [not a god]
        then shall ye know that I am he,
        and that I do nothing of myself;
                but as my Father hath taught me,
               I speak these things.

Why would Wycliffes_Shillelagh a controller of a pretend Church of Christ forum try to shut the mouth of Jesus?

John 8:29 And he that sent me is with me:
        the Father hath not left me alone;
         for I DO always those things that PLEASE him.
John 8:30 As he spake these WORDS, many believed on him.
John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him,
        IF ye continue in my WORD, THEN are ye my disciples indeed;

He's not crazy, though.  If you understand his theology, it's more rational and coherent than many I've encountered, and also rather fascinating in how it interacts with history and turns the apparent meaning of many OT stories on its head.  When he posted here in the past, I often felt the urge to go after him and try to translate his posts... although I usually haven't, because I don't believe he would want that... and I probably wouldn't get it just right.
Acts.7.Temple.Not.Commanded.html

God's SPIRIT made that certain when He put His WORDS into the MOUTH of Jeremiah.

Jeremiah.7.Silence.html

Too Long In The Sun, Richard Rives sees in Exodus 32, a Biblical precedent which provoked God nearly to the point of destroying the nation of Israel for their sin of blending (baptizing) pagan worship with His own:

"...the golden calf was built and the celebration declared a 'feast to the Lord.'...The people had declared a celebration to honor God that
........... he did not recognize as being in his honor."

[As a result, God turned them over to worship the starry host!]

"Hathor and Aphis, the cow and bull gods of Egypt, were representatives of sun worship. Their worship was just one stage in the long Egyptian history of solar veneration. The golden calf at Mount Sinai is more than sufficient evidence to prove that the feast proclaimed was related to sun worship.

The event at Mount Sinai was just one episode in the Satanic apostasy which began at the tower of Babel. The celebration of December 25th, originally proclaimed in honor of the birth of the sun god Mithra, can only be one of the final events in the long continuing saga of Satanic sun worship." Richard Rives, Too Long in the Sun, Partakers Pub., 1996, pp. 129-30.

Amos 5:26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images,
        the STAR of your god, which ye made to yourselves.

Acts 7:41 And they made a calf in those days,
        and offered sacrifice unto the idol,
        and rejoiced in the works of their own hands
Moloch.harp.drum.flute.gif


http://phoenicia.org/temple.html

Jesus defined Holy Scriptures as the PROPHETS and other prophecies CONCERNING ME.

http://www.piney.com/Isaiah.8.html

WHAT GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT SAID: OFF LIMITS TO THEOLOGIANS

Isa 8:19And when they shall say unto you,
        Seek unto them that have familiar spirits,
        and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter:
                should not a people seek unto their God?
                for the living to the dead? 
-strīdō     to make a shrill noise, sound harshly, creak, hiss, grate, whiz, whistle, rattle, buzz: stridentia tinguunt Aera lacu, V.: cruor stridit, hisses, O.: belua Lernae Horrendum stridens, V.: horrendā nocte (striges), O.: mare refluentibus undis, V.: aquilone rudentes, O.: videres Stridere secretā aure susurros, buzz, H.
To the law and to the testimony:
        if they speak not according to this word,
        it is because there is no light in them. Isa 8:20

THEY ARE FORCED TO WRITE THEIR OWN SONGS AND SERMONS TO MAKE A LIVING. That is why God will not PERMIT them to read BLACK text on BROWN Paper (2 Cor. 3]

John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said,
        My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
John 7:17 If any man will do his will,
        he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory:
        but he that seeketh his glory that sent him,
        the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him..

John 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father:
        and ye DO that which ye have seen with your father.
Devil Do: poiētai 4. after Hom., of Poets, compose, write, p. dithurambon, epea, Hdt.1.23, 4.14; “p. theogoniēn 
Epos  joined with muthos,     1. song or lay accompanied by music, 8.91,17.519.
2. fiction (opp. logos, historic truth),  THE REGULATIVE PRINCIPLE

Hdt. 1.23 Periander, who disclosed the oracle's answer to Thrasybulus, was the son of Cypselus, and sovereign of Corinth. The Corinthians say (and the Lesbians agree) that the most marvellous thing [Lying Wonders] that happened to him in his life was the landing on Taenarus of Arion of Methymna, brought there by a dolphin. This Arion was a lyre-player second to none in that age; he was the first man whom we know to compose and name the dithyramb1 which he afterwards taught at Corinth.

1 The dithyramb was a kind of dance-music particularly associated with the cult of Dionysus.

Devil Do: LATIN:   făcĭo ,  to make in all senses, to do, perform, accomplish, prepare, produce, bring to pass, cause, effect, create, commit, perpetrate, form, fashion,  operor Lying Wonder,  “poëma,” to compose, id. Pis. 29, 70: “carmina,” Juv. 7, 28: “versus,” id. 7, 38: “sermonem,” Cic. Fam. 9, 8, 1; cf. “litteram,” id. Ac. 2, 2, 6: ludos, to celebrate, exhibit, admirationem alicujus rei alicui,” to excite [the Laded Burden],
Devil Do: carmen
 I.a tune, song; poem, verse; an oracular response, a prophecy; a form of incantation (cf.: cano, cantus, and canto). note, sound, both vocal and instrumental “also versus, numeri, modi): carmen tuba ista peregit ( = sonus),” Enn. Ann. 508 Vahl.: “carmine vocali clarus citharāque Philammon,” Ov. M. 11, 317; cf. “vocum,” id. ib. 12, 157: “per me (sc. Apollinem) concordant carmina nervis

“barbaricum,” id. M. 11, 163.—With allusion to playing on the cithara: The Moher o Harlots in John 17 “Carminibus Circe socios mutavit Ulixi,
Devil Do:   Commercium sermonis,”   7  In mercant. lang., to practise, exercise, follow any trade or profession:  8. In relig. lang., like the Gr. rhezein, to perform or celebrate a religious rite; to offer sacrifice, make an offering, to sacrifice:

Devil Do: Mousa   II. mousa, as Appellat., music, song, “m. stugera” A.Eu.308 (anap.); “euphamos” Id.Supp.695 
“Kanakhan .Clanging Brass
 Theias  as many as made them hope by divinations, Madness caused by Ritual
        worship as divine, “Puthagoran  [Of the Cosmos, the Ecumenical, Kingdom of the Devil."
Antiluron mousas” S.Tr.643 (lyr.);  PLAYING THE LYRE
“Aiakō moisan pherein”I. bear or carry a load,  A Laded Burden

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