With this in mind, Dr. Rubel Shelly and John York gives
us permission to write our own narrative because one non-inspired
version written by me will be more 'meaningful' than one written by
John.
To that end, the lost beyond redemption story of the
Exodus is narrated into a "pattern for
Christian worship and community."
Now, we will see Jesus putting an end to the
temple system of the musical, idolatrous nation of Israel taken over
by Samaritans and the musical, idolatrous nation of Judah at
Jerusalem. The city where Jesus was crucified is identified in the
book of Revelation as "Sodom."
However, the "water of the Word" will be turned
into something like the baptism of the Holy Spirit and a worship
system "offered" to the local congregation. The "worship in spirit"
or in the mind will be narrated into worship in exhilaration or joy.
The worship in "truth" is giving heed to the Word of Christ which is
Spirit is turned into giving heed to the worship facilitators.
To believe in the conclusions you have to
believe that John was not inspired but just constructed his narrative
account. You have to believe that the entire Bible has been sifted
through time and human philosophy so totally that the only thing
which has been pronounced as surviving is the "core" of seven facts
about Jesus.
But, if you cannot believe
John then perhaps the fact that Christ was God incarnate was sifted
IN just as easily as the rest or TRUTH got sifted
out.
If the collected fragments
are the product of the time and philosophical sifter, then how can
the BIG STORY made up of sifted parts be any more inspired than the
parts?
Get the idea? And the
confession to being Post-Modern means that the "moderns" (you)
believe that the Bible is inspired but we latter-day Post-Moderns
know that not one bit of it can be used as absolute truth.
If you question US then it
may be because YOU have lurking deep in your breast the horrors of
child abuse.
However, Rubel Shelly and
John York have claimed that John "took liberties" and that they have
taken liberties and that you should take liberties to construct your
own personal story which is just as good or better than that of
Moses.
Therefore, Jesus "parable"
condemning the kind of worship flowing out of the City Set on Seven
Hills and explaining the only spiritual worship which has been, is
now and ever will be, is "Narrated" to teach just the opposite, teach
the baptism of the Holy Spirit and psychologically cripple anyone who
resists the teaching of the US.
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Rubel Shelly: When Jesus got to the
nitty-gritty of this woman's life situation with his
question about a husband, she got terribly uncomfortable. Of course, she did! Her life was a mess.
She'd never had a stable relationship with a man in her
adult life - as proved by five failed marriages in her past
and a live-in lover at the moment.
[One truly doubts that
she cared a widow's mite what Jesus thought! Even the clergy
could not dispute that Jesus was the prophesied prophet but
they were still willing to kill Him when He threatened to
close down their Seeker-Center]
- So why
did Jesus
put her on the spot about her horrible situation?
Here is the
answer:
- It was to see
whether she would retreat into the darkness or step into
the light.
[We will see that this
was to teach and have John record by Jesus as Spirit the end
of the two Seeker-Centers of lust and mercinary evil
empowered by musical noise which were the sister whores
conceived at Mount Sinai in musical idolatry. This
aggressive OFFERING of worship for a price was always
quarantined from the masses who were "put outside the camp"
when the horror began.]
When I've sinned and
my life is in a mess, I have two basic options.
One is
the deny, cover up,
fight for more time to fix things, and - more
likely than not -
dig a deeper hole for myself.
- The other is to
confess, come clean, be honest about how helpless I am in
the situation, and to ask for someone to show me a way
out.
[Sounds like some
psychology got sifted in: doesn't sound like the as written
story at all.]
That woman's
instinctive reaction to her dilemma before Jesus was
typical of lots of people I have known.
- She
tried to
dodge the
issue of her real need by distracting Jesus with the old Jerusalem-Gerizim
debate.
-
- Rather than face
the painful truth, her first impulse was to act as if the
important thing in her life
was a
generations-old religious
fight.
[The woman is the
"straight man" to allow Jesus to explain that WATER stood
for the WORD of God and not the "like the nation's" worship
(ecumenical) at either Gerizim or Jerusalem.]
She pretended to need to get straight about some controversial issue that was irrelevant to her real need.
- She was trying to
avoid the
painful truth about herself,
but Jesus let her know that God was searching for people
who would worship in spirit and truth.
[She now has her
second incarnation as those who do not sing and dance while
I pipe. It is just hard to imagine this scene: The preacher
sees a child torturing another child who will not dance when
they pipe. The evil child says: "Why I go to that old
legalistic, pharasaical, fire-bombing church down on the
street called straight."]
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We
find it hard to believe that this woman cared what Jesus thought
about her past life. Isn't it possible that the woman was intelligent
enough and knew enough history to ask a legitimate question? Do we
not marginalize all women when this prototype "dialoger with God"
gets dismissed as a prototype of those who want to turn all religious
dialog into a "who is rightest" dodge?
Let's not be so harshly judgmental and
assume
that it was a serious question and that Jesus was not a modern
"anointed of God" who cannot be questioned without being accused of
probably harboring some deep, evil secret about molesting his
children.
If Jesus came to me I might say: "We have
turned church into Holy Entertainment to ignore your Word." But
others have turned church into a 'national' temple to demonstrate
their phallic pride. Now, what do you think?
Does this prove that I have some
deep emotional scar which drives me into such radical divisiveness
among the brethren? Or, is it a sincere question?
Jesus didn't say, "Ah Haaa! caught you you little whore. You were just
trying to DIVERT my mind by church
house politics."
This is still an important question: Do we
DO worship
like the Samaritans with wine, women and music, or do we
DO worship
with wine, MALES and music? The choice is between Saturn (Seitan,
Satan) under the name of Molech (Jerusalem) or Chiun
(Gerizim).
Jesus would answer: "You don't DO worship for
ME.
Me doesn't
even DO or
"offer" worship for ME. ME just reads the word,
speaks the Word and gives heed or meditates or makes
melody in MY heart or spirit. YOU cannot get into that
any more than YOU can OFFER me a "venue" for loving MY wife!
You and your embarassing concept of "musical
worship team" would become a human sacrifice and your blood would
flow down the river of animal blood if you tried to get into the holy
precincts with your animal-burning "music."
But, music which is always abrading (the
meaning of melody) always shoves its way through my ears using "ear
worms" to try to "Lead me into the presence of God." Such
beyond-redemption arrogance!
Now the Application of the
Misunderstanding
We have made a bright red
border for the premise of this discussion of the Samaritan women so
that you don't miss the conclusion to the sermon later: That the
defenders of "orthodoxy" who tries to refute the teachings of
US will have to endure the psychological molestation
that you will be STIGMATIZED as a child abuser. No wonder that to
review our AWESOME preacher is tantamount to "Slandering a Celestial Being!"
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Rubel Shelly: Have
you ever seen that sort of thing happen? I once referred
a young woman to a therapist in this city to help her deal
with the abuse she had suffered at the hands of her father.
- He was a
preacher, a
defender of
orthodoxy,
a hair-splitting legalist of the first order.
I cannot help
believing that his religion was a shelter from spirituality,
- that his
angry
indictments of so many of us were nothing more than distractions from
the personal
evils
he could not bring into the light of
Christ's
presence.
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Do you suppose that all
child molesters or "Spirit mollesters" are orthodox preachers and
hair-splitting legalists?
Are we to suppose
that the end-time "flood" of water against the non-instrumental churches
is hiding some
deep dark
secret?
Well, we certainly hope not.
But theatrical performance has always had its own stigma.
The lust for "holy theater" to replace the Word of Christ is truly built upon a universal
Biblical, Classical, church history and modern theater exposure to
some serious questions. For instance, "music" creates endorphins and
other chemical abuse of the body and mind. Endorphins produce the
impulses of fight and flight and sexual fantasy with the "artists."
Many members flee, the truly masculine are enraged and want to fight but the effeminate lust to engage
in holy sex with God: that is the Vineyard claim and legacy.
See the
hand clapping, hand
raising, rolling in the floor parallel from a Madison
member.
No, Jesus set up this
situation and had it recorded to show that performed religion has
never been acceptable to God Who IS Spirit or Mind and cannot be
worshiped with the "body."
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Rubel Shelly: True worship arises from a humble, seeking spirit, not a special location.
- Even so,
it must be
offered in truth (i.e., integrity, openness) and not from behind a mask
of religious
make-believe. We haven't left the discussion of
living water here.
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We
believe that Jesus said that spiritual worship is "performed" within
the spiritual realm of the human mind or spirit. You cannot force
this to say that WE OFFER you a free ride into the presence of God
but YOU must have a good mental attitude to get a ride on a comet or
shooting star.
Gerizim and Jerusalem temples are
PLACES.
Therefore "in spirit" is also a PLACE. The spirit is the
human spirit or mind (nous) which is the only place God seeks (first
part of the worship team of two) us in the holy place (naos). John
was not inside of the person called the Holy Spirit but John was
in his spirit or his mind on the Lord's day.
Jesus was not remotely hinting that you can
construct a new "temple" as the carnal meeting place for worship in
spirit as long as you are "offer exhilarated" by the
presumptions worship team.
You cannot do anything but
interfere with my In Spirit
worship. Worship is in my mind (nous)
which is the holy place (naos) where only one 'priest' and God can
meet at the same time.
As a baptized believer I can come boldly before
His Throne of Grace.
If you as musician or speaker try to escort me into the
throne room you will be "run through with the Sword of the Spirit"
and you will be spiritually dead just as a Levite who was so
presumptious as to "offer" a Jew
worship.
The "musical" Levites made their great crashing sound to make sure
that all of the non-state people were outside the gates: quarantined
from the seekers.
Musical performance is not,
has never been an operative WORSHIP WORD for a Spirit God. It is 100%
"borrowing" or SIFTING from pagan cults as the Jewish Encyclopedia is
honest enough to confess.
You cannot OFFER worship for me on
any terms.
And I cannot offer worship if we are told that SINGING IDLE (IDOL)
SONGS WITH MUSICAL WORSHIP TEAMS is connected to my personal worship.
Please, in the interest of spiritual life, don't you try to 'lead me into
the presence of God with a musician." He will just get terminally
wounded by the Sword of the Spirit.
By faith Enoch was
translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because
God had translated him: for before his translation he had this
testimony, that he pleased God. Heb 11:5
And without faith it is impossible to please God, because
anyone who comes to
him
must
believe that he
exists and
that he rewards those who earnestly seek him. Heb 11:6
Ekzeteo (g1567) ek-zay-teh'-o; from 1537 and
2212; to search out, i.e. (fig.) investigate, crave, demand, (by
Hebr.) worship: - en- (re-) quire, seek after (carefully, diligently).
In the Old Testament and in
the future and in the "now is" worship was seeking God through His
Word and in the human spirit: David sang and meditated on his
bed.
None of those who pleased
God did so by "faith only" but by faith which was activated to obey
the specific command each time God spoke to them.
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Rubel Shelly: Jesus is just going back to it by another route. The secret to true
worship is not a mountain, human structure, or ritual. It is
the
- empowering
presence of
"the Spirit
of truth"
(cf. 14:17) who renews not just the worship
experience
but the worshipper herself.
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Jesus said that He would be with two or three
gathered in His Name which means by His authority. Christ put His Spirit into the
Words which He spoke but which Dr. Shelly
claims has been SIFTED so completely that one has to rely upon a
"charismatic evangelist selected and empowered by the sovereign grace
of God."
It is the
spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words
that I speak unto you, they are spirit,
and they are life.
John 6:63
The only truly "worship" word
which defines a collective group is speaking the Word of Christ or
Spirit one to another as the "Spirit of Truth" part. Then we sing and
make melody or mediatate on the inspired Words in our own heart or
Spirit.
Christ renews through the Water
of The Word and not intoxication (drunk on ignorance) for a new
wineskin religion. No Spiritual renewal happens unless we honor the
Spirit or Mind of God which He can put into words as easily as He put
into Himself as the Living Word.
Clement of Alexandria noted that:
"For the image of
God is His Word, the genuine
Son of
Mind,
the Divine Word, the
archetypal light of light; and the image of the Word is the true man,
the mind which is in man, who
is therefore said to have been made "in the image and likeness of God,"
assimilated to the Divine Word in the affections of
the soul,
and therefore rational. (See 1
Cor. 2 to see that the Holy Spirit is the Mind of Christ)
And God said, Let us make man
in our image,
after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the
sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all
the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the
earth. Gen 1:26
We have also a more
sure word of
prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a
light that shineth in a dark place, until the
day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 2 Pet 1:19
Searching what, or what manner
of time the Spirit of
Christ which was in
them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should
follow. 1 Peter 1:11
See the Word Spirit parallel.
If you try to force people
to worship WITH THEIR BODIES then you are OFFERING carnal
worship:
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I thank God through Jesus Christ our
Lord.
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THERE is therefore now no condemnation
to them which are in Christ Jesus,
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So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God;
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who walk not after the flesh,
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but with the flesh the law of sin. Romans 7:25
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but after the Spirit. Romans 8:1
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Worship as "experience" sounds a bit legalistic.
However, the "spirit"
of Christ which renews, the spirit of Truth, is not some little man
(Spirit) in the big man (me) making my body feel with its human
sensual elements and be convinced that this is worship. God is pure
or Holy Spirit and to worship Him with out spirit we must have the
"seven spirits" which rested on Jesus: these are all related to the
mind or spirit and not remotely connected to the carnal flesh
stimulus as spiritual fornicating:
AND there shall
come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: Isa 11:1
And the
spirit of the
Lord shall rest upon
him, the spirit
of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel
and might,
the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord; Isa 11: 2
And shall make him of
quick
understanding in the
fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight
of his eyes,
neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: Isa 11: 3
But with
righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for
the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of
his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the
wicked. Isa 11: 4
No, Jesus didn't die to
affirm the Samaritans until they became Christians and we know that
this happened when they "approved God's righteousness by accepting
the counsel fo God for their lives." Quick understanding does not
mean "exhilarated" or made charismatic:
Ruwach
(h7306) roo'-akh; a prim. root; prop. to blow, i. e. breathe; only
(lit.) to smell or (by impl. perceive (fig. to anticipate, enjoy): - accept,
smell, * touch, make of
quick understanding.
If you peddle the CORE
GOSPEL and deny the inspiration of the New Testament writers then you
deny Christ. This is because you do not have the "spirit" or are
quick of understanding.
Contrary to the pagan view that "praise empowers the gods to make sure they
keep the goodies'' or even a sexual climax
of exhilaration
coming, worship is not a LEGALISTIC RITUAL OR EXPERIENCE WHICH
REGENERATES THE HUMAN SOUL.
If "worship empowers" then
worship is a WORK OF
HUMAN HANDS for which
we expect the WAGE of some direct experience with The Holy Spirit as a separated person of the
"god family."
And I will pray the
Father, and he shall give you another
[more of the same, not different] Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; John 14:16
Even the Spirit
of truth;
whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither
knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
John 14:17
I will not leave
you comfortless: I will
come to you. John 14:18
For where two or three are gathered (sunago synagogued) together in my name, there am I in the
midst of them. Mt.18:20
The comforter and intercessor is Lord Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit is not
another "person" who intercedes and neither
does the musical worship team bring you into the presence of God.
That is, musical worship teams are not the priests and mediators as they claim to
be. Such a claim is a
terminal sin.
The "name" singular of Father, Son and Spirit
is "Jesus" or Jehovah-Saves: God does not have three names. When the
Spirit Christ came He "came in the name
of Christ." Therefore, when He appeared
to Paul He did not give him a separate NAME of "the holy spirit" but
said: "I am Jesus of
Nazareth." Jesus materializes in the
presence of a hated person needing the WATER OF THE WORD and if you
try to make her happy out of an old
wineskin God will get you.
Jesus promised to be with "two or three" but
since it was prophesied that He would not "call an assembly" one
doubts that He would enter a "temple" of several thousand where
Sister Singers are flaunting sexual authority and violating Paul's
direct command.
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Rubel Shelly:"This is worship not tied to
holy places but impacted by a holy Person who thorugh his cross will inaugurate the
era in which the Holy Spirit will change everything."[2]
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The Spirit of Christ tore down the 'buildings and
grounds' for the third time and He will not be in the "city" or in
the "camp." He has never been worshiped in a spiritual sense in
houses built by human hands or the worship of music as the most
works-intensive legalism one can imagine.
The change will be to "remove the burden of the
clergy" wihch was "spiritual anxiety created by religious ritual." He
came to give "rest" from the temple turkeys where instrumentalists
were not 'musicians' but slave drivers and temple 'service' was never
spiritual worship but "hard bondage" imposed on Israel because of
their musical idolatry at Mount Sinai.
The change is that Jesus fired
the "doctors of the law" Scribes (book writers) or Pharisees from the
synagogue
because they did and do "take away the key to knowledge." He deilvered
Spirit in His Words so that anyone cam come to the free waters of the Word
without charge (Isaial 55:1) and without 'private interpretation'
which means 'further
expounding.' The presumptious
sermonizers and versifiers are further expounders and Christ fired
them, shut down their collection plates. Furthermore, He sent the
honest preachers out to preach the word "as it has been taught." They
are ministers and not masters and do not try to build an idol temple
to get out of "going into all the world."
Conclusion
Rubel Shelly: For that woman, the spiritual
renewal she
had needed for so long apparently began at that
moment. Even
as the blind disciples returned, saw the woman, and thought
only in terms of rejecting rather than including her, she
ran back to her village.
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Jesus offered her "living waters" and not salvation
prior to water baptism. And the Samaritan was told to go and sin no
more but we don't have
the slightest notion that this was the begining point of her
salvation. We don't
even know whether she went out and got a dozen more husbands. Jesus
didn't speak of
baptism because she was
not a Jew and not subject to John's baptism as "accepting the counsel
of God for their lives" and Christian baptism could not be offered to
anyone prior ot His resurrection.
The living water is Spirit or
the Word but it is not instant salvation to
anyone who asks: "Is this the messiah?" Nor is the living water
"another person" who will move your bones into life to the beat of
erotic praise songs just disgusting the masculine part of the
world.
When you try to put it into a
"new wineskin" it would be like putting it into a new billy goat
skin.
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Rubel Shelly: There this woman with a soiled
reputation had
no credibility for bearing witness to Jesus and repeating
his word to her about being the Christ. So she simply used a
version of the come-and-see approach to sharing Jesus we
have already seen in the Fourth Gospel (cf. 1:39, 46). "Come
and see a man who told me everything I have ever done!" she
said breathlessly. "He cannot be the Messiah, can he?"
(4:29). The people went to see for themselves -
and were brought to faith in significant numbers.
Many Samaritans from
that city believed in him because of the woman's testimony,
"He told me everything I have ever done." So when the
Samaritans came to him, they asked him to stay with them;
and he stayed there two days. And many more believed because
of his word. They said to the woman, "It is no longer
because of what
you said that
we believe, for we have heard for ourselves, and we know
that this is truly the Savior of the world"
(4:39-42).
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If
their "faith only" saved them it did so before Jesus was crucified
and resurrected. Jesus didn't "preach Christ" to the Woman or tell
her how to become a disciple.
Then Philip went
down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them. Acts 8:5
And the people with
one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake, hearing
and seeing the miracles which he did. Acts 8:6
For unclean spirits, crying
with loud voice, came out of many that were possessed with them: and
many taken with palsies, and that were lame, were healed. Acts 8:7
And there was
great joy in that
city. Acts 8:8
But when they believed Philip preaching the
things
concerning the kingdom
of God, and
the name of Jesus
Christ,
they were
baptized, both men and women. Acts 8:12
The Apostles came down to lay
hands on those who were to receive the Holy Spirit Who gifted certain
men in the early churches.
Now, the woman didn't invite the people to the
latest temple with errected Asherah poles, to Jerusalem or to
Gerizim. Jesus had already gone into the world: He preached because
"for this reason I came out."
This would be like an honest evangelist going
to a muslim country and speaking to an unveiled woman. He has exposed
his life for the gospel in keeping with Paul's definition of those
worthy of support. He has made "contact" and now the people gather to
him in the streets and he preaches to them. He worries for his life.
He has no ornate temple to attract them but He projects the Spirit of
Christ out of the cultural places of wealth and decadence: Gerizim,
Jerusalem, Nashville.
Only then can this be honestly used as
patternism for "evangelism" through musical performance to keep the
"evangelist" located much like a "located traveling salesman."
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Rubel Shelly: I
think John
chose to
include
this story in his
Gospel in order to affirm the Samaritans and Gentiles he knew as his sisters and brothers in Christ at the end of the
first century.
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We don't think that is the truth! We believe that
John believed that He was recording actual events and that the
purpose was to show that the Law was for the lawless but that all
people are included in Christ when they are baptized into
Christ:
Wherefore the law
was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:24
But after
that
faith is come, we are
no longer under a schoolmaster. Gal 3: 25
By excluding physical PLACE as
necessary, Jesus excluded a priestly-clergy system.
The law as schoolmaster used
the oriental
incentive: a whack over
the head. We are no longer to "teach one another" with this system.
Because all are to be competent teachers, the direct command of Paul
was that we are to teach one another. The new worship would
deliberately an anointed "clergy class" and restore the evangelists
to the role of teachers.
The Real meaning: By
removing the Temples Jesus Fired the Happy Tutors
"It is possible that some spiritual immaturity today may arise from other causes. It
may be produced by a failure to provide an adequate program of Bible
instruction for the whole church. It may be the result of indifference and lack of a real desire to know
the rich things of the
Word. Too often people
have assumed that all the Bible should be as simple as
kindergarten
lessons. It that were
true, it is doubtful if there would ever be such a thing as a full
grown Christian. The usual Sunday morning scolding which the church receives for not doing
this will only make the situation worse. (Applebury, T. R., Studies
in Second Corinthians, p. 51 College Press)
When we "set a king over us" we fall back into the oriental
idolatry and are forced
to worship the
performing STARS.
From this "ascended" position it becomes tempting to ignore the
totality of the beyond-redemption history of Israel and turn it into
a pattern for Christian "worship and community."
This makes the Samaritan, Jew,
Gentile divisions of mankind automatic.
The result is the same as in the divided history of
Israel: we are so
removed from the Word of God because we have "offered" a "worship" service calculated to keep the
"audience" as ignorant as possible. This ignorance, however, is the
God-Selected reason that John who was "guided into all truth" did not
select this "fragment" and make it into a
narrative
theology to meet the
needs of his own
agenda.
John certainly did not
affirm people "of
other faiths" as a
patern which we must follow. Rather, there can be nothing but children of
God in his "family" and
we are not so God Like that we have to be judgmental and declare
everyone who believes as "OK with me."
If you miss use the Word of God
written under the Spirit of Christ then you may be deliberately
keeping people in the dark.
Without this Christ-Selected
acted parable recorded by John under Christ's inspiration you cannot
remotely grasp the Woman at the Well parable. Therefore, the facts
must be manipulated to make Scripture conform to the practices of
modern musical idolatry of talent.
When Israel fell back into
musical idolatry at Mount
Sinai,
God "turned them over to worship the starry host. Later,
when Israel demanded a king "like the nations" so that
they could "worship like the nations" God totally turned
them over to a national system. God "gave them a king in his
anger and took him away in His wrath."
- When Solomon used
the "musical" Levites to oversee the building of the
temple with slave labor and selling entire cities, the
people were ready to rebel. Within 5 years of Solomon's
death the Egyptians had come for their gold and a
civil war
divided the
Israelits into Israel in the North and Judah in the
South.
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Gerizim
This Star Worship or idolatry is seen
practiced in Samaria in Amos 5 and 6. This resulted in the
rejection of the Word and the total captivity and largely death
of Israel. The sin was musical idolatry. The "gods"
were Remphan or Chiun as images of Saturn. The
thirst was for the "water" of the word. The sin was charismatic
worship.
Samaritans were
baptized to
remove the sin and make them suitable for a spiritual
kingdom
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Inanna dominant feminist
goddess: Tammuz/Inanna
Central to both Gerizim and Jerusalem. Inanna got the patron god of music
drunk and:
-
- He gave me
truth.
- He gave me
decent into the underworld.
- The seven
gates of hell prevailed.
- He gave me
ascent from the underworls.
- He gave me the art
of lovemaking.
- He gave me the
art of kissing the phallus.
- He gave me the
art of prostitution.
- He gave me the
resounding
musical instrument.
- He gave me the art
of song.
- He gave me the
art of the
elder.
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Jerusalem
The people of Judah worshiped Molech and burned babies in the
idol's red hot arms to the beat of dancing, singing,
clapping and instrumental music. Isaiah 5 shows that this was the
"vineyard" whose owner they killed and the nation went
captive because the Word was lost and they died of "thirst" for the Word.
Jews were
baptized to get into Christ.
The "living water" is not related to
baptism.
Ishtar or Inanna (Easter) and Tammuz were worshiped in the temple in
Jerusalem.
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Christ died for the sins of all
people. This removed the "burden" of the performing clergy and gave people
rest. He defined worship as it had always been for spiritual
people: in their own mind or spirit as they gave heed to His
Word. This Word has always been symbolized as God's
FREE
water not
related to clergy or temple (Isaiah 55). "Church" served the
purpose of synagogue or school and not pagan worship
center.
- Music was never
in any dispensation related to the worship of
God.
Rather, it was the weapon of paganism. Therefore,
spiritual worship involves "filling up with the water of
the Word" and then speaking to one another with only
inspired texts or it ceases to be "water."
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Therefore, John recorded just what Jesus did as acted
parables to reveal His message to the spiritual mind and hide it from
the carnal mind. This event had the God-premeditated purpose of
repudiating the two forms of musical idolatry which had destroyed
both nations.
The "type result" of the Old
Testament was that the clergy "stole the water of the Word." The sin was in "offering spiritual or
charismatic worship" The cure was to take the "worship teams" off
people's back so that they could worship without "worship drivers."
In a direct parallel, Paul in
Romans 14 defines the vegetarian,
musical,
Orphic background along with the meat-eating,
wine-drinking, musical Dionysic background.
His solution was to "worship God in spirit and in truth" by speaking the revealed Word of God "with one mouth." This is a
direct parallel to the "singing" passages.
There is not and
never has been a musical concept in connection with the spiritual
worship of a Spirit God.
So, Jesus said that Samaritans and Jews can
worship together if they give up their "denominational"
dogma and
just worship "in spirit" or in their minds as they give heed to the Word of
Christ which are Spirit and Life.
John didn't get exiled or
boiled in oil because he affirmed all churches as ok with me. He was persecuted because he told
them: "No, you cannot belong to the Temple of the Pagan Priestess."
You have to "come out of her" and be washed just like a newborn baby
to get all of the blood off.
Misusing Scripture
Disqualifies one as a Son of God
Jesus defined His nature as
"Son" by the fact that He only spoke that which He heard from the "Father."
Therefore, a son of
God is one who has
obeyed the direct command of Jesus to be baptized. If the Samaritan
woman was ever "affirmable" it was because she was later
baptized.
Paul said that children of
God have been baptized into Christ:
How:
For ye are all the
children of
God by faith in Christ Jesus. Gal 3: 26
When: For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Gal 3: 27
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there
is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. Gal
3: 28
And if ye be
Christs, then are ye Abrahams seed, and heirs according to the promise. Gal 3: 29
When you construct your own "narrative
theology" you might fail to read the Text. Jesus did not remotely affirm the Samaritans as Samaritans or Gentiles as Gentiles in their existing
state.
Or did Jesus affirm them and John "narrated it"
to make it slick enough to swallow? Or did Jesus NOT affirm the
"other denominations" and Doctor narrates John to make John's denial
into an affirmation?
Our fathers
worshipped in this
mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship. John 4:20
Jesus
saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall
neither in this
mountain, (as
Samaritans) nor yet at Jerusalem (as Jews), worship the Father. John
4: 21
Ye worship ye know not
what:
we know what we
worship; for
salvation is of the Jews. John 4: 22
For those of us who can take a hing, this
sounds like: "Musical worshipers you have no Biblical authority for
your pagan practices. You worship ye know not what." They knew that
they worshiped "wine women and song" but they didn't get that from
the Bible.
Now, let's get it straight: the
Samaritans worshiped the Starry host to which God had turned the Israelites over to
because of their musical
idolatry at Mount
Sinai. The Samaritans are defined in Amos 5 and 6 where their
religious festivals were with "wine, women, song, instrumental music
and exhilarated sexual rituals." Jesus did not affirm this and neither did
John.
The non-institutional Jews never worshiped at the temple because
when the music sounded the sacrificial system they were put
"outside the
camp" and their
literal, "bondage" worship was to fall on their face. When Jews
"worshiped" they did so just like everyone had always "done" it and
still "do" it.
Click
for some notes on worship IN spirit and devoted only to the truth:
the Word of Christ.
True worshipers under Moses
or Christ are never said to have worshiped with rituals. Rather,
Ye have wearied
the Lord with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied him? When ye
say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the Lord, and
he delighteth in them; or, Where is the God of judgment? Mal 2:17
BEHOLD, I will
send my
messenger, and he shall
prepare the way before
me: and the Lord,
whom ye
seek, shall suddenly
come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom Mal 3:1
ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.
But who may abide
the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he
is like a refiners
fire, and like
fullers
soap: Mal 3:2
Seek is:
Baqash (h1245)
baw-kash'; a prim. root; to search out (by any method, spececially in worship or prayer); by impl. to strive after: - ask, beg, beseech, desire, enquire, get, make inquisition, procure, (make) request, require, seek (for).
Before condemning the
musical worship, Amos demanded that they "seek" God through His
Word.
When the Lord Jesus suddenly came, He honored
the Father by speaking only what He
heard in His Mind which is the
Spirit (1
Cor. 2). Of course, this does not exclude dialog or explaining in human terms spiritual concepts. Nor, does it exclude
using parallel passages to support the passage.
For I
have not spoken of
myself; but the Father
which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. Jn. 12:49
And I know that
his
commandment is
life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak. Jn 12:50
We can only conclude that when
a sermon is built on a "proof-text" as launchpad, there is no
intention of imitating
Jesus or of transfering
"Spirit" in either sermon or song. See
Dabney on how Christ wanted "preaching" to take place.
It is the
spirit that
quickeneth; the flesh
profiteth nothing: the words
that I speak
unto you, they are spirit,
and they are life.
John 6:63
Worship in spirit is not
worship by listening and admiring sermonizing or versifying
sentimental stuff. You almost can no longer "worship in spirit in
church" which has been defeated by the musical, theatrical
performers:
But the hour
cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship
the Father in
spirit and
in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. John 4:23
God is a Spirit:
and they that worship
him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
John 4:24
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Clement of Alexandria,
Stromata:
Or go to the bee, and learn
how laborious she is; for she, feeding on the whole meadow,
produces one honey-comb.
And if "thou prayest in the closet," as the Lord taught, "to worship in spirit," Note 75
Note 75:
But thou, when
thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to
thy Father which is in secret (Covered or hidden); and thy Father which seeth in
secret shall reward thee openly. Matt 6:6
- For ye are dead,
and your life is hid with Christ in God. Col.3:3
But the hour cometh,
and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the
Father in
spirit and
in
truth: for the
Father seeketh such to worship him. John 4:23
- Proseuchomai (g4336) pros-yoo'-khom-ahee; from 4314
and 2172; to pray to God, i.e. supplicate,
worship: - pray (* earnestly, for), make prayer.
-
- Prosecho (g4337) pros-ekh'-o; from 4314 and
2192; (fig.) to hold the mind (3563 impl.)
towards, i.e. pay attention to, be cautious about,
apply oneself to, adhere to: - (give) attend (-ance, -
ance at, -ance to, unto), beware, be given to, give
(take) heed (to, unto) have regard.
-
- Till I
come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation,
to doctrine. 1Ti.4:13
For the Jews require signs," in order to faith; "and the Greeks seek
after wisdom," plainly those reasonings styled
"irresistible," and those others, namely, syllogisms. "But
we preach Jesus Christ crucified; to the Jews a
stumbling-block,"
- because, though knowing
prophecy, they did not believe the event:
-
- "to the Greeks, foolishness; "for
those who in their own estimation are wise, consider it
fabulous that the Son of
God should speak by man and
that God should have a
Son, and especially that
that Son should have suffered.
Whence their preconceived idea
inclines them to disbelieve. For the advent of the Saviour
did not make people foolish, and hard of heart, and
unbelieving, but made them
understanding, amenable to
persuasion, and believing.
- But those that would not believe, by separating themselves from the
voluntary adherence of those who obeyed,
-
- were proved to be without
understanding, unbelievers
and fools.
-
- "But to them who are called, both
Jews and Greeks, Christ is the
power of God, and the wisdom of
God."
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Rubel Shelly: It
is still a powerful anecdote from the life of our Savior
- to affirm the
value of
people we tend to marginalize,
- to challenge
our
racism,
- to rebuke us for
our attachment to tradition over truth,
-
- To help us see our
propensity for playing church and splitting
hairs
-
- over learning
to worship the Father in spirit and
truth,
-
- to remind us
of the simple come-and-see strategy for
evangelizing.
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One of the oldest superstitions going along with the
magical "praise leaders" is that the temple is "an instrument of
evangelizing." The Cathedrals were built as Seeker Centers to suck
paying members to their new "fair towns."
This, of course, just sucks
the physical and emotional energy and money right out of the hands of
the dedicated preacher-evangelist.
We say again, that Jesus didn't
come to "affirm" the
Samaritans or Gentiles
in their sins. Rather, He came to turn them from their OLD RELIGION
which created evil results and turn them to Himself which did not
happen at the Well but when the Samaritans were baptized. They did
not receive the Spirit in a SIGN sense until the apostles went up
afterward. Speaking in tongues was a SIGN but not an
empowerment:
No man ever
spoke in tongues outside of the arm's reach of an apostle.
No womean ever spoke in
tongues within the arm's reach of an apostle and Paul prohibited it
in Corinth.
We are compelled to remind the readers of
proof-texting that Jesus was "going out to preach." Therefore, this does not fit
a mega-mega church or "temple" like Gerizim or Jerusalem but fits
only those who have gone out to preach. You will notice that Jesus
didn't call the Samaritan woman to Jerusalem but He was out where she
lived.
You cannot possibly bring people into a temple complex and "learn them to worship God." What an outrage. Worship takes
only a few truths: first, God is worshiped only in your own spirit or
mind or heart. That is the only PLACE God will ever be looking for
you. Second, worship is giving heed to the Word of God. Giving heed
to the Word or giving attendance to the public reading of the Word is
the only "collective" thing which is called "worship" other than the
literal falling on the face which the outsider would do if he by the
most uncommon accident went into a church and saw it wholly devoted
to the Words of Christ.
You cannot do that by giving heed to the
brother and sister singers singing their own erotic praise songs
trying to bring the audience to a climax.
Jesus said: "Don't go out looking for the
kingdom because the kingdom is within you." Don't commit the
unforgivable sin by claiming that "we have it over here." Next, Paul
said that to find Jesus we have to "go outside the camp." That was
where the common Jews always were when the shedders of blood, burners
of animals and makers of a great, crashing, horrifying sound (not
music) performed their 'like the nationss' sacrifices because that is
what God turned them over to."
So, never believe it when people claim the
title of "evangelist" but refuse to "go out" preaching to CONVERT and
not affirm the Samaritans and Gentiles of the world. Paul will say to
the Hebrews that when you know the Word of truth and turn from it
back to the sacrificial music then you have committed the
unforgivable sin: you have fallen and you are never going to get up.
That is the story of all "musical" worship in the Old
Testament.
Now, a concluding idea for
the premise: that the woman at the well is somehow the 'proof text'
for the enemies of "US" suffering from the unconfessed horrows of
child abuse:
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Rubel Shelly: You
may have been "hit between the eyes" by a different one of
these points of emphasis than sobered me or the person
seated closest to you. The common point for us all is the
necessity for honesty before Christ.
- Don't
retreat to
some safe place of dark concealment you have created for
yourself. Nothing is hidden from
God!
And it is
far better to
deal with that issue now in the painful light of his holy presence than
- to live in
self-judgment until it is exposed at the
end. The
path to faith is marked by honesty at every step along
the way.
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Perhaps this will reveal some deep, dark psychological
secret I should keep in the closet, but it seems that from a coherent
grasp of the Old Testament including the horrors of Mount Sinai and
the musical worship which destroyed both Gerizim and Jerusalem in
time, that Jesus was condemning both divisive "wings" of Jewish
background for having turned "giving heed" to the Word of God into
Unholy Entertainment trying to "offer worship" for others.
Both lost the word for their entire nation by
using musical rituals to keep the people ignorant and starved into
captivity and death for lack of the Word of God.
In a direct parallel, Paul in Romans 14 defines
the vegetarian, musical, Orphic background along with the
meat-eating, wine-drinking, musical Dionysic background.
His solution was to "worship God in spirit and
in truth" by speaking the revealed Word of God "with one mouth." This
is a direct parallel to the "singing" passages.
So, Jesus said that Samaritans and Jews can
worship together if they give up their "denominational"
dogma and
just worship "in spirit" or in their minds as they give heed to the Word of
Christ which are Spirit and Life.
Sorry, but my defense of the
Word against those who strip it of everything but "seven facts about
Jesus" doesn't make me need to confess to child abuse.
My "dark place" is my computer
center and library: I do feel coffee logged, at times but God
repudiates the constant connection of the non-ceremonial legalism church with fire bombing abortion
clinics and now perhaps harboring child abuse. From another
sermon:
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Rubel Shelly: How do you feel toward the animal activists
who firebomb
restaurants that
serve meat, destroy animal research labs at university hospitals, or assault people who wear
fur? Don't these
actions cross the line between strong convictions and
mean
intolerance,
between differences of opinion and onerous intimidation?
- And that's
how our
neighbors have seen us on our more strident days about instrumental
music.
Basic civility
and tolerance
do not compromise either your strong conviction or your
personal preference.
-
- To fight the
battles we have fought and to make the judgments we have made about these
aspects of our worship practice has sometimes been
nothing less than idolatry, and I want no part of such
distractions from seeking God himself.
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And at ACU Rubel Shelly used the following
terms:
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He demands that non-musical
churches fellowship instrumental churches to escape the
horrors of being: "fratricidal, traditionalist, legalists,
unChristian posture, schismatic, Satanic, sectarian,
idolatrous, irrelevant, just pushing junk."
Other friends have
added "pharisaical, racists, sectarian."
Does that all add
up to the "RACA" word?
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I
just hate it when I have to remind everyone that there is no music as
worship in an approved sense in the entire Bible. There is simply no
rationale for "music" if you are a minimalist grasper of the Words of
Christ. The "Water" is spirit because the water is the Words of
Christ. They are the earthen vessels into which an Infinite God has
placed His power: if He had the power to place that power in the
lowest and most despised human body then why do you continue to
repudiate God by denying that He has the power to do it with
words.
Secondly, "music" in worship is not a sign of
superiority that ceremonial legalists trying to lead you into
ascending to Christ with music are freed from child molesting which
"some of you" are apparently hiding.
Rather, "music" as worship is universally associated with the
effeminate, homosexual "body worship."
They tried to "pollute" Jesus into the effeminate Dionysus dance and song to "triumph
over him" In the Greek images of the Judas bag, the
singers-dancers-instrumentalists are often naked and on the attack
seeking a brother seeker.
They hoped that John "wore soft clothing" of
the king's catamite: male homosexual. Click to
take a look at just a few notes.
And
some of he effeminate background. and
Part Two
Here, we are "dancing on the rim" and the
little arrow points to the Judas Bag which
was "for carrying the mouthpieces of wind instruments." And it was
prophesied that Judas would try to triumph over Jesus where triumph
over means to "play the wind instruments and make a joyful noise
before the Lord." This was not worship: it was the army battle cry as
the Jews went after Jesus by identifying Him as Beliar. The sticks
are ox goads to prop up the players, singers and dancers who are
performing the original New Wineskin Worship.
[1] Gary M. Burge, The NIV
Application Commentary: John (Grand
Rapids: Zondervan Publishing House, 2000), p.141.
[2] Burge, John, p.147.
Because I love to recap:
those who don't approve of musical instruments as "worship" are
somehow in this various sermons are associated with or are
just:
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>Traditionalist, sinful perversionists,
jeopardizers of souls, like early inveighers against women,
religious sloganeers, acrimonious, battlers, history bound,
holding peculiarities, distinctive doctrines (strange),
pronouncers of ringing anathema, passing judgment, defenders
of a legacy, condemns others to hell, much like peanut
denying plane riders, like fire bombers of restaurants, like
destroyers of animal research hospitals, like those
assaulting people who wear furs, mean and intolerant,
onerous intimidators, idolaters, distracters from God, treat
non-use of instruments as important as the
atonement.
Now, some of you
may oppose "us" because you are a child abuser.
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